On 11/27/2025 5:56 AM, John Clark wrote:
On Wed, Nov 26, 2025 at 7:37 PM Brent Meeker <[email protected]>
wrote:
*//*
*/> If all you knew about anything was what you read in the
papers, and the libraries,/*
*Andall the videos on YouTube,and everything else on the Internet. *
/> and you were asked about your consciousness you'd find what
you'd read about consciousness and use it to reply. /
*So would a human being, although a human's knowledge base would be
far far smaller.*
Smaller, but also including direct knowledge of consciousness.
*/> And who wrote that stuff about consciousness...people who were
conscious./*
*You take that as a given, but why? Because it took intelligence to
write that stuff about consciousness and you implicitly assume that
intelligence implies consciousness. *
No, you assume that. But you wouldn't if you reflected on how the LLM
seems intelligent.
*That's why you don't believe in solipsism, that's why you believe
your fellow human beings are conscious, except when they're sleeping,
or under anesthesia, or dead, because when they are in those states
they are not behaving intelligently. *
In part I believe my fellow human beings are conscious because the are
physically like me and I'm conscious. You seem to think intelligence is
the end all and be all of consciousness. I think my dog is conscious,
even though he's not very intelligent.
/> I don't see any indication of self-consciousness./
*What exactlywould an AI needto sayfor you to think there were
indications of self-consciousness? Do you see any indications of
self-consciousness in this email that I have written? **Do you see any
indications that I am not an AI?*
I'd like it to tell me where it was located, when it arrived, and what
the weather was outside.
You told me a bunch of stuff I personally believe, which right or wrong
is not something an LLM is likely to do.
Brent
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