Colin Hales wrote:
> Think about it...When you put the scientist back inside the picture, the > measurement process (qualia) that literally are qualia is directly causally > linked to the appearance you get! The scientist has never been separate in that sense. The question is *how* qualia are causally produced, or rather, how they can emerge from structure. >The underlying structure unifies the whole > system. Of course you'll get some impact via the causality of the > structure....via the deep structure right down into the very fabric of > space. > > In a very real way the existence of 'mysterious observer dependence' is > actually proof that the hierarchically organised S(.) structure idea must be > somewhere near the answer. Not really. You can have a two-way causal interdependene between two systems without them both having th esame structure. > Note that we don't actually have to know what S(.) is to make a whole pile > of observations of properties of organisations of it that apply regardless > of the particular S(.). It may be we never actually get to sort out the > specifics of S(.)! (I have an idea, but it doesn't matter from the point of > view of understanding qualia as another property of the structure like > atoms). > In Bruno's terms the structure of S(.) is what he calls 'objective reality'. > I would say that in science the first person view has primacy. Epistemic or Ontic ? > I'd say that > we formulate abstractions that correlate with agreed appearances within the > first person view. However, the correspo0ndence between the underlying > structure and the formulate abstractions is only that - a correlation. Our > models are not the structure. *Could* they be the structure ? if it necessarily the case that the "structure" cannot be modelled, then it is perhaps no strcuture at all. > Yes....all these things rely on perceptual mechanisms which will > never...repeat...never...be found in quantum mechanics....nor any other > depiction of appearances. Why not ? --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected] To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
