Stathis Papaioannou wrote: > Peter Jones writes: > > [Stathis Papaioannou] > >>>> If every computation is implemented everywhere anyway, this is equivalent >>>> to >>>> the situation where every computation exists as a platonic object, or every >>>> computation exists implemented on some computer or brain in a material >>>> multiverse. This gives rise to the issues of quantum immortality and the >>>> white rabbit problem, as discussed at great length in the past on this >>>> list. >>>> >>>> >>>> One way to discredit all this foolishness is to abandon computationalism... > > > [Brent Meeker] > >>> I don't see how assuming consciousness is non-computational solves any of >>> these conundrums about every object implementing every possible computation. > > > >> It would mean that every object implementing every possible computation >> doesn't >> imply that every object is conscious. Of course, one can also deny that >> conclusion be regading computation as structural rather than semantic. > > > You don't have to go as far as saying that *computation* is structural rather > than > semantic. You only need to say that *consciousness* is structural, and hence > non-computational. That's what some cognitive scientists have done, eg. > Penrose, > Searle, Maudlin. Personally, I don't see why there is such a disdain for the > idea > that every computation is implemented, including every conscious computation. > The > idea is still consistent with all the empirical facts, since we can only > interact > with a special subset of computations, implemented on conventional computers > and > brains. > > Stathis Papaioannou

Unless you can say what it is about a computation that makes it a unique computation to us and what it is about a computation that makes is conscious, then nothing has been gained. Clearly it is not true that we can interact only with computations in brains and computers. We can interact with pool balls and molecules and weather and lots of other things. Brent Meeker --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---