Le 07-sept.-06, à 14:14, 1Z a écrit :
> > > Bruno Marchal wrote: >> Le 06-sept.-06, à 21:59, 1Z a écrit : >> >>> Of course it is not natural, or we would not >>> have two separate words for "possible" and "actual". >> >> Well, Platonist theories are counter-intuitive. Aristotle is the one >> responsible to make us believe reality is what we measure. Plato says >> what we observe is the shadow of what is. > > yet metaphysics is a *bad* thing... Who says that? I dislike the word "metaphysics" *because* that word is almost synonymous of "bad thing", but the whole field is like any other fields. It is never bad in itself. Some people are bad, like some gardener can be bad, or like plumber can be bad. A field can also become bad when it is appropriated by dishonest people, like genetics in the USSR, or theology in Occident. But that is contingent on history. Concerning metaphysics and theology, I think there is just no clearcut frontier with physics, and math. The position of Earth relatively to the Sun has been a subject of theology during a long period of time. Some of my old work on EPR and Bell has been discarded a long time ago because many scientist just believed it was "metaphysics" despite that my very point was that EPR showed that some metaphysical questions *was* really physical questions. Despite Bell tremendous clarification they were unable of changing their mind, and all this because they decided to take for granted Bohr's "metaphysics", ... Same for theology: those who says that theology cannot be scientific are more or less the same as those who take for granted Aristotle metaphysics. That is why I never judge any "field", only particular work by particular people. I appreciate when people put their carts on the table before the play. Clear assumption leads to clear refutation or genuine reconstruction. Bruno http://iridia.ulb.ac.be/~marchal/ --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected] To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
