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Ämne: Re: SV: computationalism and supervenience

Lennart Nilsson wrote:
> But my point is that this may come down to what we would mean by a
> being 
> conscious.  Bruno has an answer in terms of what the computer can prove.
> Jaynes (and 
> probably John McCarthy) would say a computer is conscious if it creates a
> narrative 
> of its experience which it can access as memory.
> Brent Meeker
> Humphrey says it has to have an evolutionary past.
> LN

I've read some of Humphrey's books, but I don't recall that.  What's his
Whats the citation?

Brent Meeker

His book "Seeing red" is based on lectures he gave at Harvard University
2004. What makes Humphrey´s theory special is that he thinks sensation is a
side show separated from perception. Dennett has also somewhat come around
to this view. He says in "It´s Not a Bug, It´s a Feature" in Journal of
Consciousness Studies 7 (2000): "Humphrey has convinced me that something
like his distinction between visual sensation and visual perception must be

Why would evolution create a side show and not just perception? What is it
for? asks Humphrey. He has been studying cases of blindsight and found that
although they have perception THEY DON´T CARE. The creation of a side show
is what having a sensation is, concludes Humphrey, and when sensation is
absent the subject thinks of him/herself as less of a Self.

Humphey thinks that sensation and perception from a common beginning take
relatively independent paths in evolution. Sensations in this view are
descendents of a kind of activity which once upon a time actually was a kind
of bodily expression but "nowadays is virtual, privatixed, adressed to an
as-if body; but there is every reason to suppose that its characteristics -
its dimensions - have remained in line with what they were". He further
notes that "the experience of creating a sensation has many of the
characteristics of creating a bodily expression".


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