Brent Meeker: > > Colin Hales wrote: > ... > > >> As far as the internal life of the CPU is > >>concerned... > >>>whatever it is like to be an electrically noisy hot rock, regardless of > >>the > >>>program....although the character of the noise may alter with different > >>>programs! > > > >>That's like say whatever it is like to be you, it is at best some waves > of > >>chemical > >>potential. You don't *know* that the control system is not conscious - > >>unless you > >>know what structure or function makes a system conscious. > >> > > > > > > There is nothing there except wires and electrically noisy hot rocks, > > plastic and other materials = <stuff>. > > Just like me. Nothing but proteins and osmotic potentials and ACT and ADP > = <stuff>.
Well....not quite... The <stuff> you talk about is behaving <stuff>ly. All except the neurons and astrocytes. They are behaving as 2 things....there is virtual matter being generated. But this is just my (albeit well-founded, IMO) prejudice, so if you don't want to believe it then it's all behaving <stuff>ly and only <stuff>ly. > > >Whatever its consciousness is... it > > is the consciousness of the <stuff>. The function > > Which function? WORD, EXCEL, IE.... etc.... If run WORD (in contrast to EXCEL) I think the noise in the chip might be different... although the ratio of WORD noise to WINDOWS noise (it is a time slice/event driven operating system, after all) is hard to know. > > > is an epiphenomenon at the > > scale of a human user > > Who's the user of my brain? An implicit/inherent user in the situation of you as a collection of electromagnetic phenomena extruded from the space you inhabit. > > Brent Meeker > > >that has nothing to do with the experiential qualities > > of being the computer. > > What are the experiential qualities of being a computer? At he moment all I can say is a likelihood... that it is not like anything, ever, because there is no virtual matter being generated. There may be some associated with the capacitances in the electronics, but until I analyse it properly I won't know. and how can we > know them? By sorting out virtual matter. (see my post on this of a couple of weeks back) See above. > > Brent Meeker > You do love these odd questions, don't you? :-) Colin --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To post to this group, send email to email@example.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---