Bruno Marchal wrote:
> Le 16-déc.-06, à 03:49, Stathis Papaioannou a écrit :
>> Bruno Marchal writes:
>>> Le 15-déc.-06, à 02:04, Stathis Papaioannou a écrit :
>>>> We could look at a particular incident where capital punishment was
>>>> proposed, let's say
>>>> for murder. Everyone might agree on the facts of the crime and the
>>>> effects of executing
>>>> the perpetrator, but still strongly disagree about whether it is
>>>> or wrong. So of course
>>>> the capital punishment debate does involve rational discussion and
>>>> maybe some people will
>>>> switch sides if appropriate evidence is presented, but in the end you
>>>> will have a situation
>>>> where there is just disagreement on an axiom.
>>> Again this shows that good/bad is not different from true/false, even
>>> just in arithmetic.
>> Why is the consensus on arithmetic so much greater than the consensus
>> on ethics
>> and aesthetics?
> Because ethics and aesthetics modalities are of an higher order than
> arithmetic which can be considered as deeper and/or simpler.
> Classical arithmetical truth obeys classical logic which is the most
> efficient for describing platonia. Good and bad is related with the
> infinite self mirroring of an infinity of universal machines: it is
> infinitely more tricky, and in particular neither classical ethics nor
> aesthetics should be expected to follow classical logic.
That seems unnecessarily complicated. Good and bad at the personal "Whahooh!"
and "Ouch!" are easily explained as consequences of evolution and natural
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