> "..*some subjective experience of personhood or* "being" *that we all 
> share*,
> and each of us presumably experiences *something* like that."
> I emphasize the 'something': who knows if we experience (share?) the same
> feeling? The words we use to describe it are not more relevant than
> describing 'red'.

Yes, absolutely.  Hence the use of the word "presumably".  The fact that 
people seem to share an experience we can't directly measure is interesting. 
The evidence of mankind's obsession with the experience of consciousness 
comes from the amount of philosophical discussion (like this) that exists in 
literature, both scientific and recreational.

> Experience is an undefined mental marvel and conscious?

What I'm referring to is the fact that so many people believe in a "soul", 
that we experience consciousness in a way where we feel like we are the 
author of our own destiny, that we experience life as though we are 
travelling through time and making decisions.  The idea of "me" has a static 
implication that persists throughout our lives even as we grow and evolve. 
It serves both social and self-preservationist functions, certainly, but the 
phenomenon also causes a lot of discussion.  Something about these 
experiences is remarkable enough that mankind has authored a great deal of 
text on it, and it forms the foundation of much of our mythology and 
understanding of self.

So the conscious experience I'm referring to is the commonality of the 
experience of self-awareness as reported (orally and in writing) by human 
beings...in particular the fact that most people are fully convinced that 
their experiences are unique and an accurate reflection of the nature of 
time, that they must either persist forever in some ephemeral form or else 
the Universe ceases to be from their point of view when they die, those 
sorts of things.

> A 'computer' (what kind of? the embryonic simpleton of a pre-programed
> digital machine
> as we know it?) to "...spit out a bunch of
> symbols related to the experience" of self- awareness itself." - ???

What I meant here is this:

It's not necessarily surprising that people would write a lot of things 
about the soul, even if the soul does not exist in the same sense we 
experience it.  It's quite possible, scientifically speaking, that the 
behavior of "write and talk a great deal about the experience of 'being' and 
how magical it is" is a natural consequence of any self-aware system.  A 
common marker of self-awareness might be illogically rejecting the truth of 
one's own automation.


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