On 12 Mar 2011, at 18:18, Ismail Atalay wrote: [in the FOR list]
So we should not be in a position to say "for the essence of
consciousness to exist, this type of physical/mathematical features
should be present in this universe". Physical/mathematical features
are required for its manifestation, implementation and realization.
You might conceive that the manifestation, implementation and
realization are concept definable relatively to universal numbers
which are numbers coding universal partial computable function
relatively to elementary arithmetic. So a minimal amount of arithmetic
is required indeed. Universal numbers exists, and their many
interactions are already emulated, atemporally, by the laws of
addition and multiplication of non negative integers. This makes
things complex because Universal numbers reflect each other including
But then, consciousness might be the 'mental' state of a universal
number when it believes in a reality. Science might begin when it
questions that reality, and consciousness might reappear as the
unquestionable part of that reality. It can be related with a form of
ignorance awareness. It can get a role of relative self-accelerator.
I agree with you that free will is not an illusion, because that
ignorance is real, and *that* awareness is correct (trivially so for
the ideal simple machine I study). Choice is not an alternative. There
is an entertaining novel by Smullyan illustrating this in the book
Mind's I. (*)
*A* non compatibilist notion of free will is correct, but it is the
one where non compatibilism is relative to the personal point of view
of the universal number, which cannot, indeed, entirely determinate
itself, and yet, in the usual computations, has to decide of some
action, relatively to some other universal numbers in its neighborhood.
Universal numbers are driven by self-satisfaction, I think, but in
each universal numbers there are conflicts between lower self and
higher self satisfaction.
Higher self satisfaction is better in the long run, but opposes itself
with short term lower self satisfaction, and free will comes from the
fact that we can chose in between. Perhaps. I mean it is hard not to
talk under torture, a situation which usually maximizes the conflict
between the short and long term satisfactions.
(*) (edited by Dennet and Hofstadter, which is, BTW, an excellent
introduction to Digital Mechanism. Dennett come close to the first
person indeterminacy indeed)
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