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From: Bruno Marchal
Sent: Friday, April 15, 2011 3:45 AM
To: everything-list@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [OT] Love and free will
On 14 Apr 2011, at 22:25, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote:
This week in Die Zeit there were two papers about love and fidelity. One
more scientific, another more philosophic. In the latter there is a
couple of paragraphs related to Goethe’s “Elective Affinities” that are
100% in agreement with Rex:
Die Utopie der Liebe
http://www.zeit.de/2011/15/Ps-Treue-Philosophie
"Fidelity is mere an idea that fails due to the natural laws. The
materialistic calculation that Goethe has reviewed in a sharp game
becomes clear in a remark by the captain, with whom Charlotte felt
reluctant in love: “Think of an A that is intimately connected with a B,
such that one cannot separate them without violence; think of a C that is
connected in a similar way with a D; now bring the two couples in touch:
A goes to D, C goes to B, without that one can say who first left, who
first joined the other.“
"So it happens. And is it not devilish near to a common way of thinking?
The fact that we are not masters of our decisions, but products of
biochemical processes (or some others)?"
Hence Rex might well be right that the discussion here continues because
we do not have free will.
This shows only that we don't have free-will in the absolute
incompatibilist sense, but there are compatibilist theories, which
explains well the correctness of a relative (to the subject)
incompatibilist feature of free will.
Critics of free-will are based on error confusion level. I think it is
a bit dangerous, especially that there is already a social tendency to
dissolve responsibility among those taking decisions. We are just not
living at the level were we are determined. If we were, we could
replace jail by hospital, and people would feel having the right to
justify any act by uncontrollable pulsions. This leads to person and
conscience eliminativism.
Bruno
http://iridia.ulb.ac.be/~marchal/
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Hi Bruno,
Well said! I wonder if such eliminatists are subconsciously attempting
to justify psychotic thoughts, tendencies and/or impulses. Parenthetically,
it has been noticed that almost all of the serial (and mass) murderers in
history where highly intelligent but did not even care to justify their
pathological acts.
Onward!
Stephen
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