On 7/21/2012 10:12 PM, meekerdb wrote:
On 7/21/2012 7:08 PM, Stephen P. King wrote:
On 7/21/2012 3:58 PM, meekerdb wrote:
On 7/21/2012 2:57 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:



Le 19-juil.-12, à 06:47, meekerdb a écrit :

    This may be of interest to those recently discussing free-riders.

    Brent

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    Unto Others



    BY MICHAEL SHERMER


    It is the oldest and most universally recognized moral
    principle that was codified over two millennia ago by the
    Jewish sage Hillel the Elder: “Whatsoever thou wouldst that men
    should not do to thee, do not do that to them. This is the
    whole Law. The rest is only explanation.”



With comp this does not work. We are too much different, and we can never judge for another. The principle becomes: "Don't do to others what others does not want to be done on them, unless you need to defend your life". Put in another way: respect the meaning of the word "no" when said by others.

But often the "others" are unknown persons, and even if known it may be impractical to poll them.
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The "others" need only be models, imaginary people. It is one's own measure of good that is needed to determine one's own behavior.

Yeah, that's how the Inquisition justified torturing people to save their souls, since by their own measure of good they knew that was more important that mere pain in this life.

Brent

Dear God man, Do I need to paint a diagram of this for you? Do you really not get it? Amazing!! You can only define your own measure of ethical behavior, otherwise you are coercing or being coerced. Not complicated. The fact that you pulled the pre-20th century version of a Godwin's law validation puts a highlighter on your inability to think coherently. It's kinda sad. The Inquisition was imposing their (collective) metric of ethics on other people. What did their public proclamations have anything to do with the facts? How is this "do unto others as you would wish them to do to you." Do you imagine yourself to like pain and thus wish others to enjoy it too? Do I need to explain how this kind of thinking is insane? (Psychopathic <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychopathic>, to be precise). I guess that it takes someone that is very bad at writing to confuse you on this or maybe you are projecting. I should not be so harsh actually, experiments have shown that most people will actually feel OK about torturing people so long as they are told to do it by some authority that they will submit too. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milgram_experiment Choose your leaders wisely.


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Onward!

Stephen

"Nature, to be commanded, must be obeyed."
~ Francis Bacon

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