On 7/21/2012 10:12 PM, meekerdb wrote:
On 7/21/2012 7:08 PM, Stephen P. King wrote:
On 7/21/2012 3:58 PM, meekerdb wrote:
The "others" need only be models, imaginary people. It is one's own
measure of good that is needed to determine one's own behavior.
On 7/21/2012 2:57 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
Le 19-juil.-12, à 06:47, meekerdb a écrit :
This may be of interest to those recently discussing free-riders.
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BY MICHAEL SHERMER
It is the oldest and most universally recognized moral
principle that was codified over two millennia ago by the
Jewish sage Hillel the Elder: “Whatsoever thou wouldst that men
should not do to thee, do not do that to them. This is the
whole Law. The rest is only explanation.”
With comp this does not work. We are too much different, and we can
never judge for another. The principle becomes: "Don't do to others
what others does not want to be done on them, unless you need to
defend your life". Put in another way: respect the meaning of the
word "no" when said by others.
But often the "others" are unknown persons, and even if known it may
be impractical to poll them.
Yeah, that's how the Inquisition justified torturing people to save
their souls, since by their own measure of good they knew that was
more important that mere pain in this life.
Dear God man, Do I need to paint a diagram of this for you? Do you
really not get it? Amazing!! You can only define your own measure of
ethical behavior, otherwise you are coercing or being coerced. Not
complicated. The fact that you pulled the pre-20th century version of a
Godwin's law validation puts a highlighter on your inability to think
coherently. It's kinda sad.
The Inquisition was imposing their (collective) metric of ethics on
other people. What did their public proclamations have anything to do
with the facts? How is this "do unto others as you would wish them to do
to you." Do you imagine yourself to like pain and thus wish others to
enjoy it too? Do I need to explain how this kind of thinking is insane?
(Psychopathic <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychopathic>, to be
precise). I guess that it takes someone that is very bad at writing to
confuse you on this or maybe you are projecting. I should not be so
harsh actually, experiments have shown that most people will actually
feel OK about torturing people so long as they are told to do it by some
authority that they will submit too.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milgram_experiment Choose your leaders wisely.
"Nature, to be commanded, must be obeyed."
~ Francis Bacon
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