On 23 Sep 2012, at 18:32, John Clark wrote:
On Sat, Sep 22, 2012 at 9:10 AM, Bruno Marchal <marc...@ulb.ac.be>
> We have very often dismissed emotion
Nothing mysterious about emotion, its just a condition that
predisposes a computer or a human to behave in one way rather than
That is conditional instruction, and it is third person describable.
"Emotion" refers to a first person quale. I think you continue to
dismiss the difference, despite some posts which witness you do see
the difference. It means that you believe in a supervenience thesis
which has been debunked in the computationalist frame.
> feelings and consciousness in human.
Unfortunately that is not true for philosophers, they don't dismiss
consciousness in humans, in fact that's just about the only thing
they want to talk about despite the fact that such talk has never
once produced anything of value. However philosophers are reluctant
to talk about intelligence in humans, even though the subject has
proven to be much more fruitful, because its also much harder, and
unlike a bullshit consciousness theory a bullshit intelligence
theory is easy to shoot down because you can see with your own eyes
that it just doesn't work, and that takes all the fun out of
theorizing. Another advantage is that to become a consciousness
theorist you really don't need to know anything, a grade school
education is more than enough, but it takes years of study before
you can even begin to figure out how intelligence works, with
consciousness you can start producing hot air immediately and to
some that's more fun.
So philosophers continue to blather on and on about consciousness
and, having abandoned the subject, the study of intelligence has
been left to computer scientists, programers, mathematicians and
So let us tackle the subject of consciousness with the scientific
method. What about UDA step 4? Your argument for refusing step 3 has
been shown, by a number of one people on this list, to be a confusion
between 1-view and 3-view, despite their 3p definitions. So what?
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