On 23 Sep 2012, at 18:32, John Clark wrote:

On Sat, Sep 22, 2012 at 9:10 AM, Bruno Marchal <marc...@ulb.ac.be> wrote:

> We have very often dismissed emotion

Nothing mysterious about emotion, its just a condition that predisposes a computer or a human to behave in one way rather than another.

That is conditional instruction, and it is third person describable.
"Emotion" refers to a first person quale. I think you continue to dismiss the difference, despite some posts which witness you do see the difference. It means that you believe in a supervenience thesis which has been debunked in the computationalist frame.

> feelings and consciousness in human.

Unfortunately that is not true for philosophers, they don't dismiss consciousness in humans, in fact that's just about the only thing they want to talk about despite the fact that such talk has never once produced anything of value. However philosophers are reluctant to talk about intelligence in humans, even though the subject has proven to be much more fruitful, because its also much harder, and unlike a bullshit consciousness theory a bullshit intelligence theory is easy to shoot down because you can see with your own eyes that it just doesn't work, and that takes all the fun out of theorizing. Another advantage is that to become a consciousness theorist you really don't need to know anything, a grade school education is more than enough, but it takes years of study before you can even begin to figure out how intelligence works, with consciousness you can start producing hot air immediately and to some that's more fun.

So philosophers continue to blather on and on about consciousness and, having abandoned the subject, the study of intelligence has been left to computer scientists, programers, mathematicians and neurologists.

So let us tackle the subject of consciousness with the scientific method. What about UDA step 4? Your argument for refusing step 3 has been shown, by a number of one people on this list, to be a confusion between 1-view and 3-view, despite their 3p definitions. So what?



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