On Thursday, October 18, 2012 3:12:54 PM UTC-4, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote:
> I have started reading Scientific Representation by Bas C Van Fraasen
> and I have just finished the first chapter, Representation Of,
> Representation As. Here there is a discussion what we mean by
> representation in a normal language. The author defends that a
> representation is
> p. 21 "Z uses X to depict Y as F"
Right. This is what I keep telling everyone about puppets instead of
The doctor uses an artificial brain to depict a computer program as a
person. There is no zombie there, it's a puppet - a representation.
I am curious to see how this will be applied to science as the author
> argues that "Z uses" is an important part of the representation and
> cannot be removed.
> Below there is a couple of quotes related to a discussion on whether a
> copy could be a representation. It could be used to bring a new look at
> "Yes, Doctor".
> p. 19 "Socrates' thought experiment ... has a quite contemporary ring,
> if we replace gods (as it usual now) with mad scientists."
> p. 19 Quote from Cratylus (Socrates talks to Cratylus). "Let us suppose
> the existence of two objects. One of them shall be Cratylus, and the
> other the image of Cratylus, and we will suppose, further, that some god
> makes not only a representation such as a painter would make of your
> outward form and color, but also creates an inward organization like
> yours, having the same warmth and softness, and into this infuses
> motion, and soul, and mind, such as you have, and in a word copies all
> your quantities, and places them by you in another form. Would you say
> this was Cratylus and the image of Cratylus, or that there were two
> p. 22 "Look back now at Socrates, Cratylus, and the god they imagine.
> Did the god make an image of Cratylus or did he not make a
> representation of anything, but a clone? That depends. Cratylus was too
> nasty in his response. Did this god go on to display what he made to the
> Olympic throng as a perfect image of Greek manhood? Or did he display it
> as an example his prowess at creature-making? Or did he do neither, but
> press the replica into personal service, since he couldn't have Cratylus
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