On Thursday, October 18, 2012 3:12:54 PM UTC-4, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: > > I have started reading Scientific Representation by Bas C Van Fraasen > and I have just finished the first chapter, Representation Of, > Representation As. Here there is a discussion what we mean by > representation in a normal language. The author defends that a > representation is > > p. 21 "Z uses X to depict Y as F" >
Right. This is what I keep telling everyone about puppets instead of zombies. The doctor uses an artificial brain to depict a computer program as a person. There is no zombie there, it's a puppet - a representation. Craig I am curious to see how this will be applied to science as the author > argues that "Z uses" is an important part of the representation and > cannot be removed. > > Below there is a couple of quotes related to a discussion on whether a > copy could be a representation. It could be used to bring a new look at > "Yes, Doctor". > > p. 19 "Socrates' thought experiment ... has a quite contemporary ring, > if we replace gods (as it usual now) with mad scientists." > > p. 19 Quote from Cratylus (Socrates talks to Cratylus). "Let us suppose > the existence of two objects. One of them shall be Cratylus, and the > other the image of Cratylus, and we will suppose, further, that some god > makes not only a representation such as a painter would make of your > outward form and color, but also creates an inward organization like > yours, having the same warmth and softness, and into this infuses > motion, and soul, and mind, such as you have, and in a word copies all > your quantities, and places them by you in another form. Would you say > this was Cratylus and the image of Cratylus, or that there were two > Cratyluses?" > > p. 22 "Look back now at Socrates, Cratylus, and the god they imagine. > Did the god make an image of Cratylus or did he not make a > representation of anything, but a clone? That depends. Cratylus was too > nasty in his response. Did this god go on to display what he made to the > Olympic throng as a perfect image of Greek manhood? Or did he display it > as an example his prowess at creature-making? Or did he do neither, but > press the replica into personal service, since he couldn't have Cratylus > himself?" > > Evgenii > > > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/everything-list/-/J25Ip1vS5IIJ. To post to this group, send email to email@example.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en.