Hi Stephen P. King  

In idealism, physics is conceptual, so things must 
happen as they're supposed to. 


Roger Clough, rclo...@verizon.net 
11/9/2012  
"Forever is a long time, especially near the end." -Woody Allen 


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On 11/8/2012 6:29 AM, Roger Clough wrote: 
> Hi Stephen P. King 
> 
> You don't need to throw anything. 
> Parabolas are completely described mathematically. 

     OK, what is the connection between the particular case of throwing  
and a mathematical description? 

> 
> 
> Roger Clough, rclo...@verizon.net 
> 11/8/2012 
> "Forever is a long time, especially near the end." -Woody Allen 
> 
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> Time: 2012-11-07, 19:42:25 
> Subject: Re: On the ontological status of elementary arithmetic 
> 
> 
> On 11/7/2012 12:46 PM, Bruno Marchal wrote: 
>> On 07 Nov 2012, at 17:16, Stephen P. King wrote: 
>> 
>>> On 11/7/2012 9:43 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: 
>>>> On 06 Nov 2012, at 17:05, Stephen P. King wrote: 
>>>> 
>>>>> On 11/6/2012 8:33 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: 
>>>>>> snip 
>>>>>> This is not convincing as we can make statical interpretation of 
>>>>>> actions. In physics this is traditionally done by adding one 
>>>>>> dimension. The action of throwing an apple (action) can easily be 
>>>>>> associated to a parabola in space-time. 
>>>>>> This invalidate your point, even if you say that such parabola 
>>>>>> does not exist, as you will need to beg on the "real action" to 
>>>>>> make your point. 
>>>>>> 
>>>>> Dear Bruno, 
>>>>> 
>>>>> So do you agree that the relation goes both ways, which is to say 
>>>>> that the relation is symetrical? If the action of throwing an apple 
>>>>> implies a parabola, does the existence of the parabola alone define 
>>>>> the particular act of throwing the apple? 
>>>> Throwing an apple ===> a parabola 
>>>> 
>>>> But throwing a banana ====> a parabola, too. 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>> Dear Bruno, 
>>> 
>>> Can you not see that these two relations are not in a symmetrical 
>>> one-to-one relation? There are many actions that can be represented 
>>> by one and the same parabola. 
>> Then why do you ask me if it is symmetrical. You make my point here. 
>> 
>> 
> Hi Bruno, 
> 
> That is not my question. If you agree that the relation is not 
> symmetrical, then how can you use the existence of the parabola to 
> necessitate the particular case (throwing an apple) without further 
> explanation as to how that one special case is selected? We can show the 
> existence of a general class of entities far easier than the existence 
> of a particular entity! 
> 
> 
> 


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