Hi Craig Weinberg As you wish, since this is all hypothetical.
[Roger Clough], [[email protected]] 12/6/2012 "Forever is a long time, especially near the end." -Woody Allen ----- Receiving the following content ----- From: Craig Weinberg Receiver: everything-list Time: 2012-12-05, 23:24:52 Subject: Re: Re: The final solution -> How comp could work in the brain On Wednesday, December 5, 2012 12:35:33 PM UTC-5, rclough wrote: Hi Craig Weinberg As I said, "the numbers of comp are converted to analog form signals and interfaced to the brain." The numbers in time are essentially waveforms, even if they are pretty erratic. You output the numbers through a f/2 filter as voltages and supply those to the brain. I don't see any benefit in converting them from one form to another. What difference does it make? If you can convert numbers into anything physical at all, why not just convert them directly into voltage changes in the brain? It's still metaphysical magic any way you slice it. What could convert numbers into wave forms? What would be the benefit. If numbers magically turn into the essence of wavyness which can be exported into matter, why not skip the wavyness and just enumerate the brain function directly? Why not skip the brain altogether and have numbers turn directly into qualia? Why have qualia at all? Craig [Roger Clough], [[email protected]] 12/5/2012 "Forever is a long time, especially near the end." -Woody Allen ----- Receiving the following content ----- From: Craig Weinberg Receiver: everything-list Time: 2012-12-05, 08:26:26 Subject: Re: The final solution -> How comp could work in the brain On Saturday, December 1, 2012 6:19:51 AM UTC-5, rclough wrote: The final solution -> How comp could work in the brain Peirce is known to have borrowed some ideas from Locke, the most likely one being Locke's philosophy of mind, namely that the mind is a blank slate and that all knowledge is obtained through the senses. Comp could in fact provide such sensory signals if the numbers of comp are converted to analog form signals and interfaced to the brain. Presumably this is how digital implants work. But nothing can convert 'numbers' into sensory signals, and if it could, we wouldn't need comp. In order to get sensory signals out of our computer, we need a specially constructed screen which stimulates our human eyes. The screen itself needs electronic signals from actual semiconductor chips which are plugged into an electrical power source. If numbers could be converted directly, then all of this would be unnecessary. We could use empty space as a computer, or a computer that is powered off. Transistors should be able to find memory addresses without electric power, just by converting them into signals. So in principle comp could work. It could work, but not in the universe that we actually live in. A possibly workable scheme would begin with comp forming signs or representations in the brain with electrical signals. Then what ? Then you already have consciousness. You are looking for a bridge from function to substance to consciousness when consciousness already is the capacity to experience functions and substance. Craigh Then the life in the brain-- its intelligence-- takes over. The resultant thinking would be semiotic: the interpretation of such signs and manipulation of them by this intelligence according to Peirce's logic system. eg S1 + S2 = S3 Problem solved. Case closed. Comp works. :-) [Roger Clough], [[email protected]] 12/1/2012 "Forever is a long time, especially near the end." -Woody Allen ----- Receiving the following content ----- From: Roger Clough Receiver: everything-list Time: 2012-12-01, 04:46:19 Subject: What is semiotics ? Of what use is it to comp ? What is semiotics ? Of what use is it to comp ? To the semiotician, the world consists of extended things and their inextended representations called signs. The physical and the nonphysical. So not dissimilar to the world of Leibniz. There are two related branches of the study of signs. One, called semiotics, is more properly the study of the logic of signs, is what I shall be addressing, and was developed by CS Peirce. The other branch, called semiosis, was developed by Saussure. It is the study of the application of signs (frequently words or language) socially, in the world outside. A basic branch of this study involves linguistics and the study of structures in language. So Peirce's semiotics is based on logical mental phenomena, while Saussure's semioses deals with the use and meanings of words and phrases socially in the world at large. Semiotics, being logical, appears to me to be the proper branch to study together with comp. 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