Hi Craig Weinberg 

As you wish, since this is all hypothetical. 


[Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net]
12/6/2012 
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On Wednesday, December 5, 2012 12:35:33 PM UTC-5, rclough wrote:
Hi Craig Weinberg 

As I said, "the numbers of comp are converted to analog form signals 
and interfaced to the brain." The numbers in time are essentially 
waveforms, even if they are pretty erratic. You output the numbers
through a f/2 filter as voltages and supply those to the brain.

I don't see any benefit in converting them from one form to another. What 
difference does it make? If you can convert numbers into anything physical at 
all, why not just convert them directly into voltage changes in the brain? It's 
still metaphysical magic any way you slice it. What could convert numbers into 
wave forms? What would be the benefit. If numbers magically turn into the 
essence of wavyness which can be exported into matter, why not skip the 
wavyness and just enumerate the brain function directly? Why not skip the brain 
altogether and have numbers turn directly into qualia? Why have qualia at all?

Craig
 



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12/5/2012 
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On Saturday, December 1, 2012 6:19:51 AM UTC-5, rclough wrote: 

The final solution -> How comp could work in the brain

Peirce is known to have borrowed some ideas from Locke,
the most likely one being Locke's philosophy of mind,
namely that the mind is a blank slate and that all knowledge
is obtained through the senses. 

Comp could in fact provide such sensory signals if the
numbers of comp are converted to analog form signals
and interfaced to the brain. Presumably this is how 
digital implants work.  

But nothing can convert 'numbers' into sensory signals, and if it could, we 
wouldn't need comp. In order to get sensory signals out of our computer, we 
need a specially constructed screen which stimulates our human eyes. The screen 
itself needs electronic signals from actual semiconductor chips which are 
plugged into an electrical power source. If numbers could be converted 
directly, then all of this would be unnecessary. We could use empty space as a 
computer, or a computer that is powered off. Transistors should be able to find 
memory addresses without electric power, just by converting them into signals.

 


So in principle comp could work.

It could work, but not in the universe that we actually live in.
 


A possibly workable scheme would begin with
comp forming signs or  representations in the brain
with electrical signals. Then what ?

Then you already have consciousness. You are looking for a bridge from function 
to substance to consciousness when consciousness already is the capacity to 
experience functions and substance.

Craigh

 


Then the life in the brain-- its intelligence-- takes over.  
The resultant thinking would be semiotic: 
the interpretation of such signs and manipulation of them
by this intelligence according to Peirce's logic system. 

eg 

S1 + S2 = S3

Problem solved. Case closed. Comp works. :-)


[Roger Clough], [rcl...@verizon.net]
12/1/2012 
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Subject: What is semiotics ? Of what use is it to comp ?


What is semiotics ? Of what use is it to comp ?

To the semiotician, the world consists of extended things and 
their inextended representations called signs. The physical and
the nonphysical. So not dissimilar to the world of Leibniz.

There are two related branches of the study of signs. One,
called semiotics, is more properly the study of the logic of signs,
is what I shall be addressing, and was developed by CS Peirce.  
The other branch, called semiosis, was developed by Saussure.
It is the study of the application of signs (frequently words 
or language) socially, in the world outside. A basic branch 
of this study involves linguistics and the study of structures 
in language.

So Peirce's semiotics is based on logical mental phenomena,
while Saussure's semioses deals with the use and
meanings of words and phrases socially in the world at large.  

Semiotics, being logical, appears to me to be the proper branch to 
study together with comp.

[Roger Clough], [rcl...@verizon.net]
12/1/2012 
"Forever is a long time, especially near the end." -Woody Allen

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