On 1/28/2013 4:22 PM, meekerdb wrote:

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Hi, I think this paper might be fodder for a nice discussion! http://arxiv.org/abs/1301.5295 About the Infinite Repetition of Histories in SpaceFrancisco JosÃ© Soler Gil<http://arxiv.org/find/physics/1/au:+Gil_F/0/1/0/all/0/1>,ManuelAlfonseca <http://arxiv.org/find/physics/1/au:+Alfonseca_M/0/1/0/all/0/1>(Submitted on 22 Jan 2013 (v1 <http://arxiv.org/abs/1301.5295v1>),last revised 23 Jan 2013 (this version, v2))This paper analyzes two different proposals, one by Ellis and Brundrit, based on classical relativistic cosmology, the other by Garriga and Vilenkin, based on the DH interpretation of quantum mechanics, both of which conclude that, in an infinite universe, planets and living beings must be repeated an infinite number of times. We point to some possible shortcomings in the arguments of these authors. We conclude that the idea of an infinite repetition of histories in space cannot be considered strictly speaking a consequence of current physics and cosmology. Such ideas should be seen rather as examples of {\guillemotleft}ironic science{\guillemotright} in the terminology of John Horgan.The idea that there are infinitely many universe (or an infinitely bigone) and therefore everything must be repeated infinitely many timesis incoherent. If there's a copy of this universe, then it *IS* thisuniverse by Leibniz's identity of indiscernibles. Similarly, if thisuniverse is infinitely large it must have infinitely many differentpossible states - otherwise it would start repeating somewhere and, asI remarked above, a repeat is just the same thing double counted. Sowhat makes sense is to say the universe (whether conceived asspacetime or as a Hilbert space) is unbounded, it can always getbigger and have more states - which seems to be supported by theexpansion of the universe.Brent --

Hi Brent,

`I agree, but we also have to count those universes that are`

`conformally isomorphic as Leibniz equivalent as well, which identifies`

`all the different sized versions of a given universe.`

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