On 23 Mar 2013, at 01:12, Alberto G. Corona wrote:
These inmanentist religions (eartly utopianism) it is clear that
substitute God by Man (upper case). A divinized man . This has the
most evident form of personality cult to the chosen ones that have
the knowledge and/or are at the control of the transformation
process, that in the modernity is called "revolution". In the case
of Nazism and comunism it is evident. but this pattern is also
clearly visible in every modern movement, be it theological,
philosophical or scientific . The displacement from the former to
the latter in recent movements shows for itself how the
inmanentization works: The dualism is exacerbated because every
failure is blamed on the " reaction", which is conceptualized as an
absolute evil force that opposes to the absolute Good of the utopia,
instead of blaming the mismatch between the utopic model and the
reality.
When the inevitable defeath happens, the failure of the model is
admitted. Then a new uthopia is created based on a worldview that
drop out the elements of the former that supposedly failed. At the
same time, the new revolutionaries blame not being strict enough
with the "reactionaries". Then the new movement is more radical and
has less and less elements of common sense guidelines for dealing
with reality.
Lets say that the ideological descendants of the radical sects that
expected the second coming of christ at a certain date, became
french revolutionaries, then atheist marxists and so on.
Somehow this divinization of man of the modern uthopias have much in
common with the most primitive religions, since the cult to the
tribal leader or the founder leader, and thus, the cult of Man, is
the most primitive religión.
But in fact the cult of the leader has an associate cult to oneself
if only by the fact that oneself has an special knowledge that will
transform reality and oneself. That can be applied to the AI
apocalipticists, as wellas to the radical puritans of the XXVII
century or the marxist revolutionaries
The problem is that we have been programmed to believe that some
humans can think in our places. That has given some advantage to our
species, but in the long run it is a fatal bullet.
Bruno
2013/3/23 Stephen P. King <stephe...@charter.net>
On 3/22/2013 3:27 PM, meekerdb wrote:
On 3/22/2013 4:16 AM, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote:
Quotes from Robert Geraci, Apocalyptic AI: Visions of Heaven in
Robotics, Artificial Intelligence, and Virtual Reality
p. 133 "Ray Kurzweil believes that intelligent machines will be
more spiritual than human being and believes that the future will
include real and virtual houses of worship where intelligent
machines will congregate (Kurzweil 1999, 153). Naturally, since
all human mental phenomena are, from Kurzweil's point of view,
computational processes, religious experiences must be as well. "
p. 133-134 "Some human being, however, might welcome robots into
their religious communities and some robots might wish to join
them. Fundamentally, if robots become conscious and, thereafter,
acquire 'beliefs', a state that involves intentionality and
meaning, then some of those beliefs will surely be religious. Both
theologians and computer scientists have supported such a view,
including Anne Foerst, David Levy, and Edmund Furse."
p. 134 "The artificial intelligence researcher David Levy has
argued that robots will join in religious practices as a necessary
by-product of their emotional range and conscious beliefs."
p. 134 "Without doubt, the interest that computer scientists have
in the religious life of robots is fascinating but the fact that
theologians have engaged robotics is considerably more so."
At least they will have the more realistic view that "The Creator"
is neither omnipotent, omniscient, nor omnibenevolent, and isn't
even a single person.
Brent
Such demiurges tend to be soliopathic...
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Onward!
Stephen
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