On 22 Jun 2013, at 15:54, Roger Clough wrote:

For some time, I have been trying to contact you to inform you
that

consciousness = subject + object

but you people keep trying to solve the problem

consciousness = object.

Absolutely not.
On the contrary, object are mental or dreamed content. But we assume so reality, like arithmetic, or whatever, and none of us (with few exception who accept an identity between consciousness, which is 1p, and object.

You preach a choir on this, basically.





which is useful to some extent, but is not consciousness.

That's materialism and it's the wrong problem.

Only by using Idealism  (Liebniz, so far as I know, and Kant to some
extent ) will you ever underestand consciousness.


Yes, but idealism can be objective, once you assume computationalism. Then eventually we have to bactrack to Plato, Leibniz begun the backtrack, but not far enough with respect to computer science.

Bruno







Dr. Roger B Clough NIST (ret.) [1/1/2000]
See my Leibniz site at
http://independent.academia.edu/RogerClough


Dr. Roger B Clough NIST (ret.) [1/1/2000]
See my Leibniz site at
http://independent.academia.edu/RogerClough

Dr. Roger B Clough NIST (ret.) [1/1/2000]
See my Leibniz site at
http://independent.academia.edu/RogerClough

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