Bruno: It is the Indra net of universal numbers reflecting themselves which
exists as consequences of the laws of addition or multiplication.

Richard: Very Platonic and that is perhaps what programs the Metaverse
number net.
But from my Aristotelian viewpoint, it is the Indra net of universal
numbers that institutes the laws of addition and multiplication. Physics
first.


On Thu, Oct 31, 2013 at 1:27 PM, Bruno Marchal <marc...@ulb.ac.be> wrote:

>
> On 30 Oct 2013, at 16:35, Richard Ruquist wrote:
>
> Richard: Here are a few quotes from
> http://www.sciencemeetsreligion.org/physics/multiverse.php that indicate
> that the current discussion of quantum physics, string physics and
> cosmology is really all about whether or not there is a god creator.
> Atheistic scientists like Hawking prefer MWI (Many World Interpretation of
> quantum mechanics) which predicts a multiverse of overlapping, parallel,
> unobservable universes. But many if not most scientists find such a notion
> anathema even though it seems to be the only way to make sense out of
> quantum theory. I find it interesting that comp seemingly supports the
> Hindu concept of maya as well as MWI.
>
>
> Without MWI, I would have never have believed in comp, nor in Hinduism
> perhaps. Hard to say.
>
>
>
>
> Excerpts:
> Needless to say, many theologically-minded persons view the multiverse as
> a futile and pathetic attempt to avoid the notion that God is the Designer
> of the universe. Philosopher-theologian Neil Manson described the
> multiverse as "the last resort for the desperate atheist" 
> [Davies2007<http://www.sciencemeetsreligion.org/resources/bibliography.html#Davies2007>,
> pg. 265].
>
>
> Yes, but then there is the two slits experiments, and the many-dreams in
> arithmetic, is an arithmetical reality (be them weird zombie-full
> histories, or conscious one).
>
>
>
> *
> *
> *Paul Davies*: Davies, a leading physicist, notes that the multiverse
> represents an inconceivably flagrant violation of Occam's razor --
> postulating an enormous ensemble of essentially unobservable universes,
> just to explain our own. What's more, if the multiverse exists, then not
> only would universes like ours exist, but also vastly more universes where
> advanced technological civilizations acquire the power to *simulate* universes
> like ours on computer. Thus our entire universe, including all
> "intelligent" residents, are merely avatars in some computer simulation. In
> that case, how can we possibly take the "laws of nature" seriously? [
> Davies2007<http://www.sciencemeetsreligion.org/resources/bibliography.html#Davies2007>,
> pg. 179-185].
> *
> *
> *David Gross*: As a leading string theorist, he invokes Winston Churchill
> in urging fellow researchers to "Never, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever,
> ever give up" in seeking a single, compelling theory that eliminates the
> need for anthropic/multiverse arguments 
> [Susskind2005<http://www.sciencemeetsreligion.org/resources/bibliography.html#Susskind2005>
> ,
>  pg. 355].
> *
> *
> *Joseph Polchinski*: Polchinski is one of the leading researchers in
> string theory, but he sees no alternative to the multiverse-anthropic view [
> Susskind2005<http://www.sciencemeetsreligion.org/resources/bibliography.html#Susskind2005>,
> pg. 350].
> *
> *
> *Steven Weinberg*: "For what it is worth, I hope that [the
> multiverse-anthropic view] is not the case. As a theoretical physicist, I
> would like to see us able to make precise predictions, not vague statements
> that certain constants have to be in a range that is more or less favorable
> to life. I hope that string theory really will provide a basis for a final
> theory and that this theory will turn out to have enough predictive power
> to be able to prescribe values for all the constants of nature including
> the cosmological constant. We shall see." 
> [Weinberg1993<http://www.sciencemeetsreligion.org/resources/bibliography.html#Weinberg1993>,
> pg. 229].
>
> Richard: I assumed digital physics (ie., creation from math computations)
> in a quantum holographic string universe and metaverse in the hope to avoid
> both a creator and a MWI multiverse. It turned out that the computational
> machine of the metaverse (based on string theory) is somewhat like a god
> that creates a host of big bang universes containing matter and energy, but
> is an entirely natural (or supernatural) phenomenon, assuming of course
> that the Metaverse has a nature. But I am at a loss to say what creates or
> programs the Metaverse, unless it is turtles all the way down.
>
>
> It is the Indra net of universal numbers reflecting themselves which
> exists as consequences of the laws of addition or multiplication. If I can
> survive with a digital brain, it has to be something like that.
>
> Bruno
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Wed, Oct 30, 2013 at 1:07 AM, Craig Weinberg <whatsons...@gmail.com>wrote:
>
>>  A Quora answer to the following question. Nothing new for me here
>> probably, but It's maybe organized in a more concise way.
>>
>>
>>> Philosophy: If human beings are nothing more than matter, why are you
>>> conscious as 
>>> yourself?<http://www.quora.com/Philosophy/If-human-beings-are-nothing-more-than-matter-why-are-you-conscious-as-yourself>
>>> The implication of materialism is that we are in essence wet robots,
>>> without free will, just chemical reactions. But if this is true and we are
>>> conscious, then does it logically follow that all chemical reactions have
>>> "consciousness" to some degree? If the human mind is just an extremely
>>> advanced computer, then at what point does "consciousness" occur?
>>>
>>
> http://iridia.ulb.ac.be/~marchal/
>
>
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