-----Original Message----- From: everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Bruno Marchal Sent: Friday, November 08, 2013 2:35 AM To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Our Demon-Haunted World
On 08 Nov 2013, at 03:44, Chris de Morsella wrote: > > > -----Original Message----- > From: everything-list@googlegroups.com > [mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of > spudboy...@aol.com > Sent: Thursday, November 07, 2013 4:26 PM > To: everything-list@googlegroups.com > Subject: Re: Our Demon-Haunted World > > >>> Not to be sarcastic, but probably yes. Money from bitumin brings >>> money for > research into environmental remediation. It also helps liberate people > from pouring cash into the OPEC world, which seems to only inflame > Muslim passions. Plus the Canadians are world class technologists and > will likely invent more efficient engines, and also fund the green > technologies that you crave. Theres a reason why poor nations do not > do technology well. > > You have a cornucopian view that we can go on making horrible messes > on this planet without worrying about the consequences because somehow > it will all get magically remediated.... yeah like that actually > happens in the real world. Remediation is a cost center NOT a profit > center; it is done only to the minimum level necessary in order to > stay just this side of the law. You are free to say whatever you want > of course, but I find it difficult to believe your hypothesis that the > very same humans who profit from raping the earth will -- after the > fact and after they have lined their pockets with ill-gotten wealth -- > will somehow do a 180 degree turn and start behaving in the altruistic > noble manner you seem so certain they will. > > Are you saying that the Arabs would be happier if they had no oil > wealth... > that all this money has made them hopping mad? >> I read a paper arguing in that direction, showing that Jordanian have much less tryanny thanks to the absence of oil. That makes sense. It is easier to do that type of business with Tyrant, than with elected people. Sure of course, and the western powers have seen to it that tyrants are kept in place to keep the oil flowing, under regimes they can control... case in point the CIA organized coup against Prime Minister of Iran Mohammad Mosaddegh on 19 August 1953. However this is a foreign imposition of presidents for life and kleptocracies such as the house of Saud. The phrase I was replying to " pouring cash into the OPEC world, which seems to only inflame Muslim passions. " seemed to promote various ugly stereotypes that are quite common in the western media regarding the Arab/Muslim world. I was responding to those insinuations, which dip down into a prejudicial stream I personally find rather unpleasant. Chris Bruno > Green technologies are > already proving themselves -- without your plucky Canadian tar sand > billionaires (some of whom are Texans by the way) deciding to invest > their profits in green technology -- as if they would. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Chris de Morsella <cdemorse...@yahoo.com> > To: everything-list <everything-list@googlegroups.com> > Sent: Thu, Nov 7, 2013 3:29 pm > Subject: Re: Our Demon-Haunted World > > Those plucky Canadians -- as you term them -- are criminally > destroying vast swaths of Alberta turning it into a poisoned chemical > saturated moonscape as well as sucking up vast amounts of water from > other potential uses -- including agriculture. Will the bitumen > sweated out of that sand be worth the ultimate costs to get it? > > > On Thursday, November 7, 2013 11:24 AM, Jesse Mazer > <laserma...@gmail.com> wrote: > On Thu, Nov 7, 2013 at 9:50 AM, <spudboy...@aol.com> wrote:Fur > sure, that was the truth. Now we got's shale gas, which seems to pay a > lot better, is safer to go after, and is cleaner, carbon-wise. Unless > you are buying into technological unemployment (robots, software) then > we have to face the fact. BHO's Keynesian way has fallen on its ass > and has stayed down, like a fighter throwing a fight, after a payoff. > > I've read Keynesians like Paul Krugman say that the level of stimulus > was actually not enough by Keynesian standards (and too much went to > tax cuts), but certainly the US economy with its level of stimulus did > much better than most of the states that more thoroughly rejected > Keynesianism and instead chose austerity in the midst of a recession, > like the UK...see various graphs at > http://graphsagainstausterity.tumblr.com/ (click on any graph to see > the original article it came from) > > > Increased government employment doesn't seem to generate tax revenue > very well. > > Except government employment hasn't increased under Obama, it's > actually been steadily decreasing during his presidency (apart from a > brief spike when the decennial census was taken and they needed a lot > of temporary census workers), due mostly to the Republicans in > Congress, whereas under George W. Bush government employment was > steadily increasing (this collapsing of the public sector is probably > contributing quite a bit to the slow recovery). See the two graphs > showing private sector and public sector jobs under Bush and Obama > here: > > http://economistsview.typepad.com/economistsview/2013/04/public-and-pr > ivate- sector-payroll-jobs-bush-and-obama.html > > > > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups "Everything List" group.To unsubscribe from this group and stop > receiving emails from it, send an email to > everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.to post to this group, > send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com.Visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list.For more options, visit > https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send > an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send > an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, > send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. http://iridia.ulb.ac.be/~marchal/ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. 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