On 14 Nov 2013, at 14:54, Roger Clough wrote:
Hi - Roger Clough
All current theories of mind are objective (materialist) since they
do not include the first person singular.
This seems to be a nonsense to me. Mind, by definition bears on first
person singular. Plotinus already saw the link between soul and the
knower, which can be shown first personal.
What materialists ignore is that mechanism (which they use explicitly
or implicitly) i incompatible with materialism (the belief in
I told you this before, Roger, computationalism forces us logically to
move quite beyond Leibniz.
Consciousness or Mind is nonobjective or subjective, since it is the
perceptions by the first person singular.
Of course. Nobody doubt that. The error is in the belief that the
first person reality is one-one with some third person reality. This
makes matter and mind link magical, and incoppatible with Mechanism
(which is the oldest of all philosophies, imo).
Only Leibniz has a philosophy of mind (subjectivity).
So we (all welcome) need to bring Leibniz out of the closet.
This would revolutionize neurophiolsophy.
You should make your point, and mention Leibniz in a footnote.
It is better to focus on the point, instead of history and person,
which is another (anecdotical) topic.
Keep in mind, once and for all, that today, we (I mean those
"machines" who are willing to think for two seconds) know that
Materialism, by which I mean just the belief in Aristotelian primitive
matter IS incompatible with Mechanism (or Rationalism, as Diderot put
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