On 21 Nov 2013, at 15:50, Jason Resch wrote:
On Thu, Nov 21, 2013 at 3:45 AM, Bruno Marchal <[email protected]>
wrote:
On 20 Nov 2013, at 21:35, John Mikes wrote:
Telmo wrote:
"I admire the US constitution too. In fact, my political position is
essentially to follow it (although I like to imagine possibilities
for
peaceful world with further increases in freedom)."
Which Constitution? the one epoch-opening chef-d'oeuvre based on
modernized medieval ideas of those well educated smoking-duelling
slave-owner male chauvinist Forefathers,
who just did not want to pay taxes to the King of England, or the
later "amended" versions of the same obsolete construct making it
into a gun-toting killer - corrupt, faith-ruled money-monger (with
SOME exceptions, thank you).
I join you in admiring the original one - as a relic, an
innovation historical masterpiece FOR THE 18th CENTURY. Not for the
21st.
My admiration stopped short when I realized the outcome:
a 'special-interest money'-ruled anti-democratic conglomerate,
governing a so called government into committing crimes
(international and domestic) originally excluded
from it's 'modus (regulatio) vivendi'.
How can you imagine a 'peaceful' world with capitalistic (I call
it: econo-feudalistic) principles, imperialistic (oil?) wars and
forcing own interest on other countries? (Not to
mention the availability of all level governance for enough money).
Gödel pretended that the US constitution was inconsistent and
refused to sign it. Einstein intervened and succeeded in changing
Gödel's mind (about not signing it to get the "green card" or the
nationality).
Einstein asked Gödel if the US constitution could prevent something
like a Nazy party to take power, like in Germany, and Gödel said
that it could!
There was a letter describing the event which was long thought to be
lost, but was recently found as described here:
http://morgenstern.jeffreykegler.com/
See the bottom of page 7 in this 2006 letter by the IAS:
http://www.ias.edu/files/pdfs/publications/letter-2006-spring.pdf
Interesting links. Thanks.
I don't think capitalism is the problem, but financial lobbying and
corporatism; + lies, can pervert completely a democracy.
Yes, I think where things stand today is the result of something
different from the flaw Godel found.
Are you sure?
For me both prohibition and 9/11 are ... unsolved.
I would be happy to know Gödel's argument that the US constitution
permits dictatorship.
The existence of prohibition of Foods and Drugs in the Land of the
Free is for me still a mystery.
To forbid or discourage research on a plant is ... applied obscurantism.
Where does that come from?
Bruno
Jason
The deeper problem relies in the fact that most humans are unwilling
to think by themselves, and they confuse "p -> q" and "q -> p" all
the times. The (human, but not only) sciences are still driven by
the appeal to authority. We have never been "modern".
Bruno
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