On Thu, Nov 21, 2013 at 3:45 AM, Bruno Marchal <[email protected]> wrote:
> > On 20 Nov 2013, at 21:35, John Mikes wrote: > > Telmo wrote: > > > > *"I admire the US constitution too. In fact, my political position is > essentially to follow it (although I like to imagine possibilities for > **peaceful > world with further increases in freedom)*." > > Which Constitution? the one epoch-opening chef-d'oeuvre based on > modernized medieval ideas of those well educated smoking-duelling > slave-owner male chauvinist Forefathers, > who just did not want to pay taxes to the King of England, or the later > "amended" versions of the same obsolete construct making it into a > gun-toting killer - corrupt, faith-ruled money-monger (with SOME > exceptions, thank you). > > I join you in admiring the original one - as a relic, an innovation > historical masterpiece FOR THE 18th CENTURY. Not for the 21st. > My admiration stopped short when I realized the outcome: > a 'special-interest money'-ruled anti-democratic conglomerate, *governing*a > so called government into committing crimes (international and domestic) > originally excluded > from it's 'modus (regulatio) vivendi'. > > How can you imagine a 'peaceful' world with capitalistic (I call it: > econo-feudalistic) principles, imperialistic (oil?) wars and forcing own > interest on other countries? (Not to > mention the availability of all level governance for enough money). > > > > Gödel pretended that the US constitution was inconsistent and refused to > sign it. Einstein intervened and succeeded in changing Gödel's mind (about > not signing it to get the "green card" or the nationality). > Einstein asked Gödel if the US constitution could prevent something like a > Nazy party to take power, like in Germany, and Gödel said that it could! > There was a letter describing the event which was long thought to be lost, but was recently found as described here: http://morgenstern.jeffreykegler.com/ See the bottom of page 7 in this 2006 letter by the IAS: http://www.ias.edu/files/pdfs/publications/letter-2006-spring.pdf > > I don't think capitalism is the problem, but financial lobbying and > corporatism; + lies, can pervert completely a democracy. > Yes, I think where things stand today is the result of something different from the flaw Godel found. Jason > The deeper problem relies in the fact that most humans are unwilling to > think by themselves, and they confuse "p -> q" and "q -> p" all the times. > The (human, but not only) sciences are still driven by the appeal to > authority. We have never been "modern". > > Bruno > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
