Alberto, Sorry for a delayed response. But I want to make my position clear. The Vostok data typically indicates that global temperature rise leads CO2 rise by 600-900 years. So we could easily go into glaciation even with a rising CO2. In fact the CO2 has been rising for all of the last 10,000 years where global temp has plateaued.
But if we look further back than the Vostok data, the global temperatures, as I recall from seeing a graph, most recently had a 50 million year plateau (climate stability) at about 10 C above the current rather short-term 10,000 year plateau. Even further back in time a 300 million year plateau at 30 C above current conditions can be identified. So the earth's climate seems to have 3 levels of climate stability. Then the question in my mind is whether the current rapid rise in atm. CO2 will cause a jump to the extra 10 C level, or are we still living in an ice age climate oscillation where the increased CO2 and global temperature will induce glaciation. I wrote previously about increased temperature fluctuations beyond the average. In that context, the question is whether a very hot fluctuation will kick us up to the next stable level, or will a very cold fluctuation plunge us into another ice age. It seems to me that a continued ice age climate oscillation is much more likely. Richard On Saturday, December 14, 2013 4:24:43 PM UTC-5, Alberto G.Corona wrote: > > Sure. A good thing about climate change is that if it warms, it is global > warming. If it cools, it is climate change. If it remain equal, because the > time is a chaotic phenomenon that is inherently changing, then to stay the > same is also a change. > > So WWWW: we win whatever the weather. It is a sure business! > > > 2013/12/14 Richard Ruquist <[email protected] <javascript:>> > >> What I learned about turbulence as an undergrad Mech Engr is that adding >> energy to a turbulent system first enhances its fluctuations much more than >> its average values. Since climate may be a turbulent system, I think >> increased hot and cold weather fluctuations should be expected. Richard >> >> >> On Sat, Dec 14, 2013 at 2:36 PM, Alberto G. Corona >> <[email protected]<javascript:> >> > wrote: >> >>> Show in egypth for the first time in 100 years: >>> >>> http://mashable.com/2013/12/13/snow-egypt-syria-israel/ >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> 2013/12/14 LizR <[email protected] <javascript:>> >>> >>>> Seems to be a tiny CO2 spike at the right hand end. The resolution on >>>> that graph is too low to really see a mere 50 or 100 years I guess. >>>> >>>> -- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>> Groups "Everything List" group. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>>> an email to [email protected] <javascript:>. >>>> To post to this group, send email to >>>> [email protected]<javascript:> >>>> . >>>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. >>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Alberto. >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups "Everything List" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>> an email to [email protected] <javascript:>. >>> To post to this group, send email to >>> [email protected]<javascript:> >>> . >>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. >>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. >>> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Everything List" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to [email protected] <javascript:>. >> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]<javascript:> >> . >> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. >> > > > > -- > Alberto. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
