All, I haven't made any progress getting the idea of a common universal present moment across so here's another approach with a thought experiment....

To start consider two observers standing next to each other. Do they share the same common present moment? Yes, of course. Any disagreement? Now consider those two observers, one in New York, one in San Francisco. Do they share the same common present moment? In other words is the one in San Fran doing something (doesn't matter what) at the exact same time the one in New is doing something? Yes, of course they do share the same present moment. Any disagreement? Now consider an observer on earth and an observer in some far away galaxy. But with the condition that they share the exact same relativistic frame in the sense that there is zero relative motion and the gravities of their planets are exactly the same so that clock time is passing at the exact same rate on both their clocks. Now are these two observers sharing the exact same present moment as well? Note that we just extended the exact same relativistic circumstances of the previous two examples so there can be no relativistic considerations. Do these two observers also share the exact same present moment as well? Yes, of course they do. Not only do they share the exact same present moment but they also share the exact same clock time t value. Any disagreement? OK, if you agree then you have to take a partial step towards accepting my thesis of a common universal present moment. You now must agree that there is at least a common universal present moment across the universe for all observers in the same relativistic frame. Agreed? Edgar -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.