On 25 January 2014 11:59, meekerdb <[email protected]> wrote:

> A warp in space that is bound together by its own gravitation is what is
> known as a black hole.
>

Technically I believe there is still a mass inside it, however, even if it
has been crushed to a point. It isn't a "free-floating space warp" which is
what Edgar was suggesting (I asked him, to double check, and he affirmed
it). If that was possible, then presumably *any* space warp could become
detached from its source and "drift off into the aether" ... the Earth
might leave a furrow in space behind it as it orbits the Sun, into which
dust and asteroids would tumble...

There *are* "free-floating space warps", of course, namely gravity waves.
But as far as I know, they don't appear to be a major contributor to "dark
matter".

>
> Note that Hawking as just posted a paper casting doubt on their existence:
>
> http://arxiv.org/abs/1401.5761
>
> I will read that with interest, thank you! I have long suspected that
black holes don't exist as specified in GR - I mean, that they aren't
infinitely dense singularities inside an event horizon. Nice to see Stephen
coming round to my way of thinking :-)

No, seriously, a lot of alternatives to Black Holes have been suggested,
and some even seem quite likely to my poor little brain. Presumably GR
breaks down at some point before it reaches infinity (otherwise all your
"finitist numerologists" are in trouble :-)

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