On Tue, Jan 28, 2014 at 4:34 PM, Platonist Guitar Cowboy <multiplecit...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > On Tue, Jan 28, 2014 at 2:46 AM, meekerdb <meeke...@verizon.net> wrote: >> >> On 1/27/2014 2:32 PM, Platonist Guitar Cowboy wrote: >> >> >> >> >> On Mon, Jan 27, 2014 at 10:09 PM, meekerdb <meeke...@verizon.net> wrote: >>> >>> On 1/27/2014 12:12 PM, Platonist Guitar Cowboy wrote: >>> >>> So sure yeah, there's no limit to what you can do when you eliminate and >>> don't care about x. Louis C.K. had a good one: "Wow, I can't believe we >>> built the pyramids - yeah, we just threw human death and suffering at them >>> until they were built. There's no end to what we can achieve when we don't >>> give a sh*t how to get there..." Science that advances by eliminativism >>> comes with a price and some side-effects. >>> >>> >>> Just because there's a price doesn't mean you shouldn't pay it. We >>> eliminated the Egyptian gods, the divine Pharoh and their theology, so we >>> don't get pyramids anymore - and I'd call it progress. >>> >> >> Well Louis' bit finishes in the contemporary world with: "Wow, look at all >> this amazing customized digital technology we have", waving around an >> iphone, "that's because where they build these things, people are so >> miserable they have to deploy nets outside the factories to keep them from >> jumping off the effin roofs... >> >> >> There's a lot of young men and women concentrated in a small area. Given >> the numbers I don't think the suicide rate is higher than elsewhere. >> Universities in the U.S. also have high suicide rate. >> >> "At Cornell University in Ithaca, N.Y., there have been six confirmed >> suicides this academic year, including two on successive days last month. >> Last week, Cornell installed chain-link fencing along many of the bridges >> that cross the gorges on campus, serving both as deterrent and a physical >> reminder. >> >> According to a 2009 article in Professional Psychology, 6 percent of >> participating undergraduates and 4 percent of graduate students in four-year >> colleges said they had "seriously considered attempting suicide" in the past >> year--and nearly half of each group did not tell anyone." > > > Agreed and you make my point. > > The possible maturing from a critical naiveté, in terms of implications of > beliefs, their negation, naturalization through sustaining self-legitimizing > histories as falsely true (e.g. through creation and unquestioning beliefs > in institutional function, which includes exploiting factory floors, forcing > obedience in conventions through education systems, reliance on fossil > fuels, overemphasis on weapons manufacture etc.), that result in all our > "progress", can't keep up with the effects of an apparent efficacy, through > lucky metaphors/isomorphisms perhaps, of our prohibition style separation of > theology and science. > > The Pharaoh is now for example say: US law. Such monsters of ornate rules > and codes benefit whom? Right, it's ideal for PR exploiting Pharaohs that > can afford the army of slave lawyers to look after their pyramids on > Nantucket or wherever. > > I don't think we've ended imperialistic and massive slave-like treatment of > people, based on dominance theologies. We've just given them different > labels, and since the law is "atheistic" (just swear on the Bible for a > moment), its great to mask that we haven't changed in this regard much. > > We're also more vulnerable to PR manipulation, negating importance of > theology in science. Believing all kinds of crap because of a few idiots > being handed the mike or air time. See climate change.
PGC: good stuff! >> >> >> >> so that we can leave a grumpy comment on Youtube, while we're taking a >> sh*t". >> >> Sure, it's comedy. >> >> But it's not trivial in proclaiming "civilization" has not made the >> progress promised by "Science, liberalized from theology". I guess people >> think less about such problems as good and evil, fundamental science, >> philosophy, theology etc. and we may be materially richer for it, and >> technologically stronger, but perhaps ethically poorer and more naive about >> the limits our ignorance imposes, without which we will tend to use >> technology for savage and low stuff, simply because we lose the capacity to >> envision more appropriate beliefs in such complex contexts. >> >> Eliminate/negate belief, and pair just half of science (the how-techne >> bit, fundamentally laying aside "what" with belief implication) with what's >> left, our default opportunism, and Louis' joke is no surprise. It's also no >> surprise why many argue this way: it's simpler and clearer. >> >> Doesn't make it valid. I think we may be half blind in this sense. >> Children with access to the weapons shed. The ignoramus Greeks were onto >> this. PGC >> >> >> The Greeks also kept slaves, considered women inferior, and gave us the >> Spartans and Alexander the Great as well as Plato. > > > Nobody here is making the claim that the Greeks were saints or have answers > for us. But they did articulate the problem with the problem and question of > knowledge's limits. Plato, Plotinus to Gödel and co. have even made some > progress. PGC > >> >> >> Brent >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Everything List" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. >> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
