Oh dear, you really don't have a clue, do you? OK, that's it. I foolishly replied to one or two of your posts in the hope you'd magically grown up, but I can't be bothered with this level of willful ignorance and infantile nonsense. I'll let you get on with scoring imaginary points, and stick with people who have something meaningful to say.
On 4 February 2014 13:50, Edgar L. Owen <[email protected]> wrote: > Liz, Liz, Liz! > > OK, now you ADMIT that neither Newton or Einstein believed in block time. > Thanks! > > Your claim that their theories imply (thanks for using the soft imply > rather than prove) block time is just your erroneous interpretation in an > attempt to lend weight to your own belief. > > Your use of the Laplace quote to corroborate that is wonderful since if > you actually read it Laplace specifically mentions "the PRESENT STATE of > the universe" indicating that Laplace accepts a present moment like nearly > everyone on earth does. That's a direct REFUTATION of belief in block time > by Laplace himself! > > So your quote actually proves the exact OPPOSITE of what you claim it does. > > The fact that time is a 4th dimension does NOT either require or imply > block time. Everyone and everything is always at only ONE place in time > exactly the same as they are always at ONE place in space. That one place > is the present moment. True the past is a 4th dimension but we do NOT LIVE > in the past. We live in the present. We exist in the present, not in the > past nor the future. > > That's the correct understanding of the 4-dimensional universe and I'm > pretty sure both Newton and Einstein understood this.... > > Block time requires that everything is at MULTIPLE points in time from > when its created to when it vanishes. > > Relativity does NOT require nor imply block time. In fact when the fact > that everything continually travels through spacetime at the speed of light > is taken into account relativity FALSIFIES block time because that requires > everything to be at one and only one position in time, and that means that > there is a present moment for everything. And this is directly confirmable > through observation, the exact same kind and status of observation that all > science is based upon. > > It really couldn't be any simpler... > > Edgar > > > > On Monday, February 3, 2014 7:19:42 PM UTC-5, Liz R wrote: > >> On 4 February 2014 12:44, Edgar L. Owen <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> Liz, >>> >>> You keep repeating your UNSUBSTANTIATED claim that both Newton and >>> Einstein believed in block time. >>> >> >> It isn't a question of belief. Newtonian and Einsteinian machanics both >> imply the existence of a block universe. >> >> I've repeatedly asked you to substantiate this claim with some actual >>> quotes from them but you have been unable to do so. >>> >> Please provide quotes substantiating this or withdraw the claim. That's >>> only fair... >>> >> >> Obviously Newton didn't use that phrase. Equally obviously it's implied >> by his equations, as Laplace realised. >> >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laplace%27s_demon >> >> We may regard the present state of the universe as the effect of its past >> and the cause of its future. An intellect which at a certain moment would >> know all forces that set nature in motion, and all positions of all items >> of which nature is composed, if this intellect were also vast enough to >> submit these data to analysis, it would embrace in a single formula the >> movements of the greatest bodies of the universe and those of the tiniest >> atom; for such an intellect nothing would be uncertain and the future just >> like the past would be present before its eyes. >> --Pierre Simon Laplace, *A Philosophical Essay on >> Probabilities*[3]<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laplace%27s_demon#cite_note-Truscott-3> >> >> Einstein's equations shows that space-time is a 4D manifold, as Minkowski >> pointed out. His "canonical" quote on this is: >> >> The views of space and time which I wish to lay before you have sprung >>> from the soil of experimental physics, and therein lies their strength. >>> They are radical. Henceforth space by itself, and time by itself, are >>> doomed to fade away into mere shadows, and only a kind of union of the two >>> will preserve an independent reality. >>> >> >> >>> -- Hermann Minkowski >>> >> >> Otherwise, just read papers on the subject of SR. It isn't a secret that >> SR treats space-time as a 4D manifold. >> >> Here is an introduction to the subject: >> >> http://www.phy.syr.edu/courses/modules/LIGHTCONE/minkowski.html >> >> -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
