Jesse,

The fact that the entire universe from start to finish including every even 
that ever happened and will happen actually somehow exists doesn't imply a 
creation event??????

Come on now Jesse. Let's get real here.

Of course I make some basic assumptions such as an original fine tuning. A 
few googles of orders simpler if I may say so! And I suspect Occam would 
agree....

Edgar



On Wednesday, February 5, 2014 6:06:20 PM UTC-5, jessem wrote:
>
>
> On Wed, Feb 5, 2014 at 5:13 PM, Edgar L. Owen <[email protected]<javascript:>
> > wrote:
>
>> Jesse,
>>
>> This is just outrageously wrong. Block time implies the most magical 
>> mystical miraculous creation event of all times, of the entire universe 
>> from beginning to end, a creation event that makes the Biblical creation 
>> event look completely reasonable by comparison.
>>
>> That is the exact OPPOSITE of Occam's razor because it is the most 
>> complex creation event possible to imagine....
>>
>
>
> It doesn't imply spacetime was the result of a "creation" event, any more 
> than the Mandelbrot set was a result of a "creation" event (the Mandelbrot 
> set also appears quite complex, although its information content is very 
> small, as might be true of the multiverse). Of course, this may not be a 
> convincing analogy to you since from earlier posts I gather you think that 
> mathematical truths like 2+2=4 emerge in time and weren't true before they 
> were "computed" (at what point in time did the mathematical rules governing 
> computation arise?), but it works for mathematical platonists like me.
>
> Jesse
>

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