Ghibbsa, I'm not sure I understand the point of your question. Both twins are alway in their own present moments, and when they meet they always find that they were always in the SAME present moment because they are in the same present moment whenEVER they meet and no matter WHERE they meet. So it doesn't have to be at one particular place or time on anybody's clock.
Of course if one dies, he no longer is aware of his present moment, but the watch on his dead hand still ticks away at whatever relativistic rate it has to in the same present moment as his living twin is in. The living twin meets up with his dead twin in the same present moment. Edgar On Friday, February 7, 2014 5:01:26 PM UTC-5, ghi...@gmail.com wrote: > > > On Friday, February 7, 2014 9:55:02 PM UTC, ghi...@gmail.com wrote: >> >> >> On Thursday, February 6, 2014 2:09:39 PM UTC, Edgar L. Owen wrote: >>> >>> Ghibbsa, >>> >>> But it IS true that Andromedans must be doing something at this very >>> present moment. That's a key insight to the theory. >>> >>> The fact that we can't determine exactly what the clock time is there of >>> that present moment, or the fact that they might be doing things faster or >>> slower than we are doesn't falsify that they are doing something right now. >>> The fact that we may not be able to determine what they are doing, doesn't >>> mean they aren't doing something.... >>> >>> After all that's also true of any two observers including e.g. >>> astronauts on the space station. Do we doubt that they are actually doing >>> something up there right now in this present moment? No, of course not. And >>> the difference with Andromeda is only a matter of degree. thus if we can >>> claim a present moment for the space station, we can for Andromeda also. >>> >> >> OK, and note I am trying on your idea in the very way I am also >> questioning it. So the question is, allowing there could be a 1:1 matching >> of moments, is the idea meaningful if people in one galaxy have a big >> enough moment to think some thought like "people in that galaxy right >> now..." whereas the people in that other galaxy experience the same moment >> as 3 years or as 4 microseconds. >> >> In what meaningful sense is that a shared moment? Given the real time - >> and we are talking about time - is experienced totally differently. Why >> aren't the realities of time and how it is completely different, more >> fundamental than some since that it would be possible if we had all the >> data to do some 1:1 correlation such that everything could be related via a >> p-time. >> >> Again, note that I am questioning your idea, from within supposing your >> idea is true. >> > > And, again from within supposing p-time is true, why is the present moment > the twins come back to fundamental, when that particular shared moment > actually isn't, because if one or both twins changed their speeds they'd > both experience a completely different meeting time respectively. And they > wouldn't necessarily meet in a p-time. Not if one of them went really fast, > because the other one would get old and die waiting for his twin, through > millions of p-moments. Whereas the fast moving one would feel like it'd > been a month. > > So does the fact they would meet back as A p-moment GIVEN a > particular relative speed? I mean, there's nothing special about the fact > they both return to the same PLACE. And nothing special about the time they > do or do not coincide at. So how does this twin thing support p-time > exactly? > >> >> > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
