On 07 Feb 2014, at 19:03, John Clark wrote:
On Tue, Feb 4, 2014 at 5:53 AM, Bruno Marchal <[email protected]>
wrote:
> Computation is 3p, and consciousness is 1p, and no 1p thing can be
a 3p thing.
Sure it can. There is no consistent definition of "p"
?
What is inconsistent with the definition of 3p and 1p given in UDA?
What is inconsistent with the definition of 3p and 1p given in the
Arithmetical UDA (AUDA)?
so "3p" can be anything as can "1p".
?
Even if there were non consistent definition of A and B, it would not
follow that A can be equal to B.
(there is no consistent definition of consciousness and there is no
consistent definition of God does not imply that consciousness = god,
for example).
And I'm still waiting for somebody to explain to me why if
intelligent behavior (which can be detected objectively) and
consciousness (which can only be observed subjectively) can be
totally separated why did random mutation and natural selection
bother to invent consciousness?
An epiphenomenalist would say that consciousness is just a necessary
side effect of intelligence. But I don't follow this: it is a
phenomena having some role, I would say, and so evolution is just not
a problem.
To be sure, I let this epiphenomena/phenomena question open until I
explain a bit more what happens in arithmetic more closely, to avoid a
vocabulary discussion.
And I know for a fact that Evolution did produce consciousness at
least once, and perhaps many times.
I doubt that is a fact. Evolution might (and probably have) just makes
it possible for consciousness, which would be in arithmetic, to be
manifested through persons in the relative way.
Again, that is not crucially important, for the question above.
Bruno
John K Clark
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