On 4 Mar 2014, at 1:33 pm, Platonist Guitar Cowboy <[email protected]> 
wrote:

> Counting this way, you'll hear the macro structure of the main line as 
> composer intended in triple meter. I don't know whether this obfuscates more 
> than it helps enjoyment of the thing, though... especially since composers 
> don't want to make numeric structure too transparent and trivial as they want 
> to give people their money's worth!


As a composer myself, I'll tell you what I think the better composers usually 
do. They use Occam. "What is the meter that this thing, this shape in my head 
fits more or less squarely into. I don't want to have to change the meter 
signature unnecessarily." So, it's a practical thing, and is based on what 
would be easiest for the players to process. Musos are great counters, but they 
start to demand more money if you make the counting too hard...

The "cross rhythm" you experience at the opening is decidedly fraught 
with....what you said (so well!) This "state of confusion" I think is so 
brilliant because the next thing that happens is this relentless "three" thing 
is going to start spinning around unequivocally and drilling down into your 
head like a Talban commander with a hand-drill. Either you'll get the money or 
you won't. But rich or poor, you can't take any of it to heaven....!






> 
> In qualia terms the overall triple meter is culprit for the spinning; and the 
> chugging mechanic four note motifs and low blows of orchestra I'd assign to 
> relentless, military judgement of fate and fortune, I guess. That damned 
> wheel keeps spinning: stories of power, threats, shocks, pyramids, fortune 
> etc. here :-) PGC


Actually, I think this whole production of Carmina Burana is a total gem. You 
don't really ever see a staged version of it and this thing was done for - IIRC 
- German or French TV in the 80s and I can only find the first two movements on 
YT. I saw the whole thing at the time.  Yes, the angel and the devil both keep 
that wheel spinning, don't they. Bloody thing is spinning out of control right 
now as Vlad the Conqueror puts the Russian Empire back together.

Hail Vladimir! Russia's newest Czar!


Sorry, I digress. 

Kim

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