Edgar,
On 04 Mar 2014, at 15:02, Edgar L. Owen wrote:
Bruno,
It may be that some plants respond to music or at least to sound but
to claim "some plants love music" is an unwarranted anthropomorphism
that demonstrates a rather 'New Agey' mentality.
Can you link me to any slow motion videos in which plants move IN
SYNCH WITH MUSIC? I rather doubt it but I've got an open mind.
Extreme claims demand a modicum of evidence. Of course there is NO
evidence at all for comp so I won't be surprised if you can't come
up with any for "plants love music".
About plants loving music, you take my words far too much seriously,
and you have already acknowledge that your theory implies comp, so
that you should learn its consequences, which makes your point
possibly consistent with an internal view of the "block mindscape" of
the universal Turing machine (computer in the mathematical sense).
(but it makes it definitely inconsistent as reified "reality").
Don't infer from that that I would be certain that some plants don't
love music, as I am too much ignorant for that. But their behavior is
amazing, notably on larger scale.
Hmmm, isn't that a symptom of what you and Liz claim Trolls do?
:-)
Only a troll can add a smiley to an insult, I think.
I mean that you know that we are *seriously* asking ourself if you are
not a troll.
In this list we are open minded and basically agnostic, we don't a
priori assume god, matter, universe, numbers, or whatever, and then
try theories by making clear the assumptions.
I will comment your posts only if I got them. And without them I will
eventually put you in the spam list, if you insist on the boring
insulting strategy.
I think you convince no one on this list.
You loose.
Come back when better prepared.
Just give us a link with your assumptions, and mode of reasoning.
Stop insulting us.
Bruno
Edgar
On Tuesday, March 4, 2014 4:05:04 AM UTC-5, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 04 Mar 2014, at 03:11, Kim Jones wrote:
On 4 Mar 2014, at 9:48 am, LizR <[email protected]> wrote:
Without listening to that (since I'm at work) I am under the
impression that "Carmina Burana" is, at the beginning at least, 4
beats to the bar, not 3?
Maybe I missed the point. I am not "musical" (except that I like
listening to music).
You would have to be halfway musical to even pick up on that!
Indeed "O Fortuna" (the first song of Orff's "Carmina Burana") is
cast in 3 beats to the bar at the opening, certainly when it gets
fully under way...
I just checked it on the full orchestral score. This is interesting
because the "threeness" of this huge opening is not explicit, which
is what I was saying earlier. "Beat" in music is simple arithmatic,
yet even with such simple resources as ordinal numbers associating
with each other (somehow!) to produce these qualia that gives me an
aesthetic impression of circularity is already incredibly advanced
and difficult to describe. Tis the magic of the numbers.
Music IS numbers, but the qualia it induces in my consciousness are
something else. If I understand that part of comp correctly.
The qualia are not numbers, indeed. No 1p notion at all can be a 3p
notion, like numbers are. But a qualia can be associated to some 1p
notions, which arise in some of the self-referential machine's
talk, when distinguishing the proofs and the truth available by
that machine, and taking into account many intensional combinations.
By the way, did you know that some plant loves music. There is even
a dancing plant, which seems to dance on classical melody, but not
on noise or on too rocky music.
If interested here is a video on plant's mind:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NeX6ST7rexs&list=WL20F101EB06378011
Bruno
K
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