On Friday, March 7, 2014 8:18:22 AM UTC, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > On 07 Mar 2014, at 00:05, meekerdb wrote: > > On 3/6/2014 2:58 PM, Russell Standish wrote: > > My only comment is that I don't think X's hostility towards Bruno > started when he mentioned the question "Goedel?" in class. That, in > itself, should not be sufficient to earn the ire of even the most > seasoned of psychopaths. Instead, I suspect the relationship soured > badly during Bruno's end-of-studies dissertation, probably because > Bruno had an inquiring mind, and X just wanted him to focus on his own > research interests (not an uncommon occurrance - I had something > similar in my PhD, but without the consequences Bruno > faced). Nevertheless, that doesn't excuse X's actions, which remain > appalling by anyone's standard. > > > Why so circumspect about the identity of X. With so many mentions it > would be easy for anyone to dig up to whom "X" refers, so why not just use > his name? > > > I avoid the name, because I want to avoid complications. I can tell you > out-of-line if you ask, and I might once day make public the prosecution > files. > > He is an obscure guy, without any serious publications. Since those events > I got phone calls by people who attribute him many suicides, and the facts > that he exploits other people by pushing them to do mistake, and then he > exploits the pressure (shakedown, blackmail) and things like that. > > It is harassment by manipulation. He was almost a friend, always nice and > funny with me. It took me 20 years to figure out the manipulation. Well, it > took me to put that thesis down, as he was forced to make a public move. > > It is a sort of serial killer, without a trace. Many people were shocked > by his behavior, and even more by the fact that he got protection from > above, and has been able to pursue his violent actions. He was a sort of > genius in demolishing people (and then even computers) at a distance. A > mind hacker. He was not a bad teacher. I did appreciate him and his > teaching very much, despite he told me that there was nothing interesting > in Gödel's theorem. He has been also alcoholic for some period, and heavy > chain smoker, even in the classroom (that was accepted long ago!). > > As the logician Maurice Boffa was also a member of the jury of non > acceptance, I would like to insist that it was not him. On the contrary, > Boffa realized the manipulation and try hard to defend me. Boffa was a > real, and notorious mathematical logician, with many important > publications. Like Smets, Gochet, VandenBussche, Boelen, and others, he > died soon after those events. > l > Bruno > > I'm sorry to hear what you went through. It's a nasty business being caught up with a psychopath, if that's what he is. There are obviously lots of ways for a person to end up ultra manipulative and destructive. Non-psychopath destructive profiles are actually a lot worse in some areas. Long term destructive antagonism the hat goes way beyond anything to gain from, done with a smiling face...that's a non-psychopath profile. People destroy eachother's careers like that, usually when they start out friends, then the relationship naturally adjusts the relative seniority due to talent or whatever. Typically the person on the down tries to adjust but struggles, but things kind of fizzle out, normally including the closeness of the relationship. Things go the other way and turn nasty normally when the person on the up commits a competitive slight. Something that on the face of it was perfectly reasonable, but with hindsight was unnecessary.....involved piling it on when the relationship was already reversing. Going onto that person's space and competing there for, in hindsight, reasons of euphoria at things going well. The person on the up does nothing wrong but the person on the down takes it very hard. It feels like rubbing salt in the wound. Signals are sent 'why are you doing this? But the other person hasn't thought it through and transmits back a smiling face. Which is misread and taken even harder and the dye is caste.
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