On 3/15/2014 7:02 PM, LizR wrote:
On 16 March 2014 08:04, meekerdb <[email protected] 
<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:

    On 3/14/2014 7:21 PM, Matt Bell wrote:

        This may very possibly be an idea that has already been discussed (I am 
very new
        to this topic, so I'm still exploring the landscape of ideas), but it 
has been
        on my mind recently.

        If you subscribe to the theories of MWI/UDA, then the idea of quantum
        immortality/suicide follows (an observer only perceives universes where 
it
        continues to exist, so from its perspective it exists forever). From 
this, it
        follows that an observer can "program" the universe into any possible 
state with
        the following process:

        - Choose a condition for the universe (e.g. "It will start raining at my
        location within 10 seconds.")
        - Evaluate whether you are in a universe where the condition is true 
("10
        seconds have passed. Has it started raining?")
        - If the condition is false, stop existing (in a human context, suicide 
:/).
        - If the process was followed correctly (the condition was evaluated 
accurately)
        the observer should only exist in universes with the chosen state

        This relies on the assumption that there is a possible universe where 
the
        condition is true, and that the condition can be effectively evaluated.

        I'm not yet sure about what to think about conditions about past 
events. What
        happens if the chosen condition was "It started raining less than an hour 
ago."?
        This would possibly work as expected if you don't evaluate the 
condition until
        after you chose it (you were in a soundproof, windowless room for the 
last hour,
        so you didn't know it started raining until after you decided on the 
condition).

        Any thoughts? Or relevant material I should know about? Also, let me 
know if
        there's some huge flaw in my thinking.


    A possible flaw is that, if the holographic principle is true, that there 
are not
    nearly so many possible future states as you may suppose.  What is 
"possible" in QM
    is not the same as "logically conceivable".

I tend to suppose the HP shows we live in a multiverse, so the possibilities within a given volume are proportional to the volume of the volume, but the ones realised in our branch of the MV are proportional to the surface area of the volume. (But there is probably a flaw in my reasoning too...)

But it's only the ones that are continuations of one's current state that are possibilities, so they are bounded by the hubble sphere surface area - at most, there may be other tighter bounds too.

Brent

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