I understand where you're coming from, Telmo, and yes, the most recent study from a NASA sponsored climate analysis does indicate that we are doomed (their wording not mine) and I disagree of course. Reducing energy consumption can get us through the short term, but the intermediate term, and longer term, surrenders the Third World to permanent poverty. Supplying them with clean tech, that's cheap, or less laborious then wood gathering and forest chopping, seems to be the better path. Geoengineering is interesting, but it terrifies me. Who do we trust, what experts, what leaders, and what if they are wrong? Why should we trust them, given the ruling classes incongruous political behavior, versus their language of 'emergency' cause me to doubt their trustworthiness.
- Given that environmentalists are claiming that it might even be too late to advert disaster, why aren't we seriously considering geoengineering approaches, as the one proposed by Nathan Myhrvold, which can be easily and cheaply tested and turned off at any moment? -----Original Message----- From: Telmo Menezes <[email protected]> To: everything-list <[email protected]> Sent: Fri, Mar 21, 2014 12:59 pm Subject: Re: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating On Fri, Mar 21, 2014 at 5:24 PM, Quentin Anciaux <[email protected]> wrote: 2014-03-21 17:19 GMT+01:00 John Clark <[email protected]>: On Wed, Mar 19, 2014 at 10:50 AM, Quentin Anciaux <[email protected]> wrote: The thing I most want to know about RCP4.5 is what RCP stands for, Google seems to think it's "Rich Client Platform" but that doesn't sound quite right. It must be pretty obscure, Wikipedia has never heard of RCP either. For your information, that means "Regional Climate Prediction" I'm pretty sure it's not "Russian Communist Party" but are you sure it's not "Representative Concentration Pathways"? I'm pretty sure you must be dumb as dumb if you really think this... As I see we are in a thread talking about climate... This thread seems to be mostly about politics. To be fair, John seems to be in the minority here in wanting to discuss this from a scientific and technological perspective. He raises a number of points that I have raised myself in previous discussions. Instead of focusing on such issues, pop culture distractions (Fox News etc.) and political tribalism seem to get all of the attention. - Given the number of climate models and the fact that the majority of them failed to predict the climate of the last decade, how confident can we be in further predictions? - With current technology, how much would we have to shrink the global energy budget to transition to sustainable sources? What would the human impact of that be? This is too serious an issue for wishful thinking. Theres 7 billion of us and counting. We need hard numbers here, that take into account the energy investment necessary to bootstrap the renewable sources, their efficiency and so on. - What is the probability that a climate catastrophe awaits us vs. the probability that an abrupt attempt to convert to sustainable sources would create a human catastrophe itself? - Given that environmentalists are claiming that it might even be too late to advert disaster, why aren't we seriously considering geoengineering approaches, as the one proposed by Nathan Myhrvold, which can be easily and cheaply tested and turned off at any moment? Also this: http://theenergycollective.com/robertwilson190/328841/why-germanys-nuclear-phase-out-leading-more-coal-burning Telmo. using google correctly and not as an asshole... you would have found what you were looking for (if you genuinely were looking for it... but you weren't, you were trolling as usual). So blabla as usual... no point arguing with you. Wikipedia lists 21 possible meanings of the acronym "RCP" and that's the only one that has anything at all to do with the environment. Wikipedia has never heard of "Regional Climate Prediction". http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RCP > (And I didn't know it before doing the search) Who did? > 0.5 second of searching on google... and the great John was unable to do it And still is. John K Clark -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. 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