Here's the Mountain Pass rare earth mine in Southern California: 35.48°N 115.53°W It
produced cerium, lanthanium neodymium, and europium for rare earth magnets until the
Chinese undercut the market. It has huge piles of tailings rich in thorium and radium
which are at present just a waste product that is hard to get rid of because it's slightly
radioactive.
Availabililty of thorium is not a problem. Designing and building the
powerplants is.
Brent
On 4/4/2014 3:51 PM, Chris de Morsella wrote:
> Hey Stephen -- try refining it from your dirt. Your garden dirt is not
> ore quality; it is not a feasible supply. Do you believe the
> minuscule quantities of uranium in your garden's dirt should be
> counted as part of global uranium reserves?
>
> Why exactly?
>
> By your count the garden dirt argument -- taken to the absurd -- why
> not include all the uranium in the solar system, our entire galaxy --
> after all who knows maybe someday with some technology will it all
> may be recoverable.... What have you been reading?
>
>
>
> *From:*[email protected]
> [mailto:[email protected]] *On Behalf Of *Stephen Paul
> King *Sent:* Friday, April 04, 2014 3:33 PM *To:*
> [email protected] *Subject:* Re: Climate models
>
>
>
> Hey Chris,
>
>
>
> About a uranium shortage. Come scrape up a few yards of dirt near
> where I live and you'lll find lots and lots of uranium. We have a
> huge problem with the radon gas that the stuff generates... What have
> you been reading?
>
>
>
> On Fri, Apr 4, 2014 at 3:56 PM, John Clark <[email protected]
> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
>
> On Thu, Apr 3, 2014 at 4:05 PM, Chris de Morsella
> <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
>
>
>
>> Solar PV is here today
>
>
>
> Solar PV has been here for 60 years and THOUSANDS of times more
> money has been spent developing it than has been spent on LFTR R&D,
> and yet solar PV is still just a rounding error in our total energy
> budget.
>
>
>
>> I see the practical technological limits that constrain what can
>> actually be accomplished.
>
>
>
> Apparently not.
>
>
>
>
>
>>> Oh for heavens sake! There is no Uranium shortage and Thorium is
>>> 4 times as abundant and easier to separate from it's ore than
>>> Uranium is, and we can only get energy from .7% of the Uranium
>>> but we can use 100% of the Thorium! So do you REALLY want to say
>>> we shouldn't consider Thorium because we can't get enough of it??
>>>
>
>
>
>> Wrong again
>
>
>
> I want to know if I really understand you correctly, are you saying
> that a major problem (or even a minor problem) with using Thorium for
> energy is that there isn't enough of it? Is that really your
> position?
>
>
>> the world is facing a recoverable uranium peak that will be reached
>> within a decade or two (at current extraction rates, if nuclear is
>> ramped up peak uranium will be reached that much sooner).
>
>
> Uranium prices are the lowest they've been in 8 years. I found a
> chart for the last 5 years:
>
>
>
> And so I would like to make a public bet with you and see if you're
> willing to put your money where your mouth is. You say the shit will
> hit the fan within a decade or two, so if before April 4 2024 there
> is widespread reactor shutdowns because of Uranium shortages (and not
> due to temper tantrums from environmentalists) then, assuming I'm
> still alive, I will send you $1000; if there are not widespread
> reactor shutdowns because of Uranium shortages before April 4 2024
> then, assuming you're still alive, you only needs to send me $100. So
> do we have a bet? Come on I'm giving you 10 to 1 odds!
>
>>> You are the one making the claim that extracting 12 grams of
>>> Thorium from one meter of dirt would take more energy than the
>>> Thorium could produce, so it is up to you to show it's true;
>>> although nobody would be dumb enough to bother with such dirt
>>> when there is ore that contains 50% Thorium available.
>
>
>
>> Whatever.
>
>
>
> Yes, whatever.
>
>> I do not inhabit the same magical thinking universe you seem to
>> live in.
>
>
>
> How nice for you, therefore by accepting my bet you can make an easy
> $1000.
>
> John K Clark
>
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