On 05 Apr 2014, at 12:30, Telmo Menezes wrote:
On Sat, Apr 5, 2014 at 11:47 AM, LizR <[email protected]> wrote:
That doesn't narrow it down too much.
Je m'accuse. I was one of them.
My point was that conspiracy theories, in the sense of power elites
secretly cooperating to further their own interests against the
interests of the majority are not, unfortunately, unusual events in
History. We know of countless examples of this happening in the
past. I think it requires some magical thinking to assume that this
type of behaviour is absent from our own times.
I further pointed out that broadly discrediting any hypothesis that
some elites might be conspiring against the common good, in broad
strokes, seems to benefit precisely the ones in power. Furthermore,
thanks to Snowden, we now have strong evidence of a large-scale
conspiracy by western governments that I would not believe one year
ago. In this case I'm referring to the secret implementation of
global and total surveillance, with our tax money, by the people we
elected, to spy on us, infringing on constitutions.
I can't help but notice the very common rhetorical trick of using
the nutty conspiracy theories (UFOs, the Illuminati, fake moon
landing, etc.) to discredit the much more mundane and reasonable
suspicions of elites abusing their power. The paper you cite in this
thread uses that trick too.
This broad denial of the existence of conspiracies is silly, if you
think about it. The official explanation for 9/11 is a conspiracy
theory: some religious arab fundamentalists conspired to create a
global network of terrorist cells with the objective of attacking
western civilisation. They hijacked planes and sent them into
buildings and so on. If you don't believe in this explanation, you
are then forced to believe in some other conspiracy.
Of course conspiracies exist. The current denial of this quite
obvious fact feels Orwellian, to be honest.
I agree. Prohibition was purely conspiratorial. People met to develop
a propaganda and making other people, through precise list of lies,
voting laws making it possible to avoid a oil-hemp competition, and
impose oil. You can find all the names on the net. I have completely
stop to believe that prohibition has ever have had a relation with
public health. A lot of people voted the prohibition of cannabis,
without knowing that it was hemp. I saw video of interview of old
people saying so. Many government hided the result of research on
cannabis, and build fake data instead (US, France, UK notably).
Then when there were talk that Obama might sign a text allowing the
arrest and detention without trial of suspects, without mentioning
radical islamism, or precise terrorist group, that is a text violating
the most basic human rights, in time of peace, I mocked this as ... "a
conspiracy theory". But not only Obama signed it, but after two years,
still refuse to add the coma, and precision asked. Since then I read
the Nist report, and it seems obvious to me, that the official theory
does not make sense at all.
I don't know the truth, but the Nist reports is 100% nonsense. It is
very thin also, and evacuates all relevant facts.
You can see this also by looking at all "Air crash investigation", the
difference between most normal investigations and those for the 9/11
planes is striking, and makes clear that we are lied on this.
The kennedy assassination is also quite enlightening on all this, and
you can almost name one the big chief playing a role in drug
prohibition, Kennedy's assassination, and 9/11: Bush senior.
They are "just" bandits, (if you dislike the term "conspiracy"), and
some members of the senate avowed that they just fear them. By
injecting the black money in the markets, they are taking the whole
middle class into hostage. In my country some very bad people
(children murderers) are protected, and journalists having made
inquests, have been murdered, or disappeared without trace.
Prohibition seems to me to have been planned in advance by bandits to
get power, with the complicity of some special interest.
They failed with alcohol, but succeeded with marijuana.
Bruno
Best,
Telmo.
On 5 April 2014 22:31, Quentin Anciaux <[email protected]> wrote:
It was in one of the climate threads.
Le 5 avr. 2014 09:11, "LizR" <[email protected]> a écrit :
On 4 April 2014 19:35, Quentin Anciaux <[email protected]> wrote:
2014-04-04 1:29 GMT+02:00 LizR <[email protected]>:
"Climate Deniers Intimidate Journal into Retracting Paper that Finds
They Believe Conspiracy Theories"
Ironically, it looks like they are conspiring to silence any mention
of this fact!
http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/climate-deniers-intimidate-journal-into-retracting-paper-that-finds-they-believe-conspiracy-theories
PS I know this isn't about "everything" but there seems to be some
interest in this topic on this forum.
It is strange, because when I did mention that here, the answer was
that it was perfectly normal and rational to believe in global
conspiracy theories and irrational not to.
That sounds a slightly strange view, imho. Who said that, may I ask,
and in what context?
(I will be sending my ninja assassins round to deal with them later,
as per the standing instructions of the Grand High Adepts of the
Illuminati...)
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