On 16 April 2014 10:32, meekerdb <[email protected]> wrote: > On 4/15/2014 3:19 PM, LizR wrote: > > On 16 April 2014 09:42, meekerdb <[email protected]> wrote: > >> What cultural ideas would those be? Get out of Viet Nam? Civil rights >> for blacks? The pill? >> >> Plus (off the top of my head (man)) - sexual freedom and equality, the > anti-establishment vibe seen in Occupy, Wikileaks etc, freedom of > expression, a raft of artistic ideas too wide for this margin to contain... > > I can see attributing some artistic ideas to the psychedelics, but I > think the anti-establishment vibe came from the Viet Nam war and sexual > freedom came from the pill. Ideals of equality drove the civil rights > movement and its natural extension was to equal rights for women. >
The anti-establishment vibe didn't just come from Viet Nam by a long shot. Britain in the 60s was reacting against the austerity and downright terror of the Second World War and having come so close to having been amalgamated into the Third Reich, the anti-estab vibe was particularly directed at Colonel Blimp type military figures because these had been in the public consciousness since WW2 as authority figures, but I suspect it was also a shadow of the anti-Nazi feeling that had gone before it, who were after all the "ultimate authoritarians". (This is in my opinion the origin of "Dalekmania.") However, I agree it wasn't specifically due to drugs, those were more involved in the explosion of artistic creativity that happened around the same time, notably the Beatles, new wave science fiction, Pop art, the huge diversity of new fashions, TV shows like "Dr Who" and "The Prisoner" ... I could go on but I don't want to bore you. I agree with you about the pill (although technically that *is* a drug :) > > I don't see any useful insights as having come from psychedelics. Sure, > their effect is interesting from a neurophysiological standpoint - but so > are brain lesions. > Depends if you call "Dark side of the Moon" or whatever a useful insight, I guess. As someone said, if you don't like drugs, you'd better burn your music collection. And much of literature and art, of course. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
