On 16 May 2014 06:54, John Ross <[email protected]> wrote: > LizR, > > > > See my reply to Russell. > > > > I know this is going to upset you but in my model every single photon in > our Universe has a mass and that mass is determined by E = mc squared. >
This is true in relativity as well. > Specifically the 1.02 MeV gamma ray photon has the same mass as the > combined mass of the electron and a positron. Visible light photons have a > very small mass. The green light photon has a much smaller mass of 4.08 X > 10-36 kg. You can calculate it yourself using Albert’s formula. My > neutrino photon has a mass almost equal to the mass of a proton! > > > > We know a photon has momentum which should indicate that it also has > mass. I think the problem is that no one wants to admit that a photon has > a mass because it is travelling at the speed of light which should make > that mass go to infinity > Only if it has a rest mass, which it doesn't. > . I don’t have that problem with my model. > > > > All of this is explained very well in my book which should be arriving in > about one week. > > > > John R. > > > > > > > > *From:* [email protected] [mailto: > [email protected]] *On Behalf Of *LizR > *Sent:* Wednesday, May 14, 2014 2:32 PM > > *To:* [email protected] > *Subject:* Re: TRONNIES > > > > On 15 May 2014 04:59, John Ross <[email protected]> wrote: > > I assume you would agree that a photon is self-propelled. Protons and > alpha particles are also self-propelled. They are sel-propelled by their > own internal coulomb forces. Electrons, protons, atomic nuclei and atoms > are all perpetual motion machines. > > > > You have to give a better explanation than that. According to all our > current theories and observations, photons and other massless particles are > in a different category from particles that have a rest mass. You need to > explain why we should assume there is any equivalence between a massless > particle that always travels at c, as measured in all reference frames, and > a massive particle which travels at some fraction of c, a fraction that > will vary depending on which frame its velocity is measured in. > > > Also, a photon doesn't violate Galilean, Newtonian or Einsteinian > relativity. Self propelled particles do - they define an absolute state of > rest. I know of no observational reason to assume an absolute state of rest > exists, although this is suggested by the idea that space-time is > quantised. (But then I believe you reject quantum mechanics?) > > > > In any case, I wouldn't describe a photon as "self" propelled. It is > created with a certain energy and momentum that are supplied by the > emitter, and which it eventually passes on to the absorber. In between it > doesn't gain or lose energy (except when it climbs out of or falls into > gravity wells, or travels across an expanding or contracting universe - but > these can't be described as self propulsion). > > Sorry but your above answer is a hand waving argument at best. It needs > detailed theoretical backing, and explicit answers to the questions I've > given above, plus any others that may come up (e.g. there was mention of > the "ultraviolet catastrophe" earlier - was that resolved?) > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
