Spudboy (whatever that may mean) I was 22 when burried under bombing ruins during WWII - and dug out by the enemy due to my good fluency in their language. I was also arrested by a "Gestapo-like" facility (talked out myself) and later by the commis for questioning. So I have personal experiences. I was NEVER in uniform, never a soldier and never participated in violent actions. All I did was save lives using the underground activities. I yell: NO WARS!!!!!!. I don't recognise the "problems" as such, they are mostly man-made corruption-based policies of crooks. On ANY side. Heroes? rather victims. What business of the USA and Europe is to take part in a religious war dating back ~1500 years about the successor of the Prophet? They could manage fine: Saddam Hussein (Sunni) kept Iraq at bay and Assad (Shia) Syria, until the region's oil triggered the profit-hungry forces into aggression. The US stabbed Mubarak in the back (a 'friend' of over 30 years) and liberated a jihad - indeed a competition between the Saudi and Iranian oil, Then supported the arch-enemy: AlQaeda (and ilk) plus the Muslim Brotherhood - now declared by Egypt a terrorist movement. Afghanistan became an oil-sideline to get the Central Asian oil to the Indian Ocean. And there comes the profit of the war-related industrials.
I apologize for the not quite 'TOE' text. JM On Sat, Jun 14, 2014 at 8:40 AM, spudboy100 via Everything List < [email protected]> wrote: > I submit that with the official religion of Afghanistan, and with the > enablement of Sharia, or a watered down form of it under the Afghani > royals, is was a sucker for the Soviets. But the Soviets, under Brezhnev, > war would have come anyway. It just would not have seemed such a slam dunk. > The people, for example in Syria and Iraq, are part of the problem. As far > as national complicity, against the Jihad and all that it means, I would > have inflicted a lot more. > > Afghanistan – which I have lived in before the Russians – has suffered > war imposed on it by the great powers (of the era) since the British Raj. > It is easy to blame these victims of a forty year state of war – counting > from the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan; it is a little bit harder to > understand the degree to which their lives have become shattered by war. > Maybe because it is uncomfortable to admit our national complicity in the > deaths of so many goat and sheep herders. > > Yes, its called the United States. The people that you cite want to go to > paradise, Jannah, so sacrificing sons, and brothers is a noble feat for > them, the ticket to women and wine literally. Peace, under Quran, Soonah, > Bukhari, is not permitted between a Kurfar (infidel) and a Muslim, on a > hudna, a truce is permitted. You cannot separate Afghanistan from its > belief systems. You cannot separate Iraq and Syria from its belief > systems. > > > *Have you ever lived in a war zone? I have. I have witnessed the horror of > modern war (as a young teenager); I have looked into empty soul dead eyes > of profoundly traumatized people… have you ever had such experiences?* > *Those who have truly experienced war tend not to be so enthusiastic about > violence as a means to solving problems, unless they are psychopaths who > enjoy it that is.* > > -----Original Message----- > From: 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List < > [email protected]> > To: everything-list <[email protected]> > Sent: Fri, Jun 13, 2014 3:38 pm > Subject: RE: Pluto bounces back! > > > > *From:* [email protected] [ > mailto:[email protected] > <[email protected]?>] > *Sent:* Thursday, June 12, 2014 10:06 AM > *To:* [email protected] > *Subject:* Re: Pluto bounces back! > > Yes, cycles absolutely can be broken, last things first, but first, > people have to see in themselves that something is wrong. This, we must > conclude is fairly, rare. The kind of people I am referring to, are the > kind of people, that over your dead body, get to heaven in a little green > boat, as the kiddie ditty went. On top of this we have unmedicated, and > undermedicated, people with deep personality disorders. The Hatfield-McCoy > thing when applied elsewhere in the world lack the cultural background. > Also, there's no reward to stopping a bad habit, and there's no sufficient > incentive to starting good ones. With the mental problem aspect there is > something we can do, which is medication and therapy. With > cultural-religious driven attacks, this is more complicated. But first, one > must have the will and desire to radically change things, on the ground. > The ruling elites, have no great incentive to do things which halt what is > going on, nor, is there a great enough punishment, if they are doing > political malpractice. Thus, the world rolls on as it has. > > It seems to me that you are ignoring a massive incentive to violence > arising from the utter fragmentation of all social structures resulting > from an unending state of war, imposed on the suffering goat herders you > seem to enjoy demonizing in the most colorful language. Afghanistan – which > I have lived in before the Russians – has suffered war imposed on it by the > great powers (of the era) since the British Raj. It is easy to blame these > victims of a forty year state of war – counting from the Soviet invasion of > Afghanistan; it is a little bit harder to understand the degree to which > their lives have become shattered by war. Maybe because it is uncomfortable > to admit our national complicity in the deaths of so many goat and sheep > herders. > Observe the insanity unleashed now in Syria (in which we are again heavily > involved) the monsters on the loose over there and in the Sunni areas of > Iraq – who do you think is backing and funding them (even if through Saudi > etc. proxies). > No doubt monsters are created in war. But more war merely begets more > monsters in an endless and ultimately futile cycle of blood spilling blood. > Have you ever lived in a war zone? I have. I have witnessed the horror of > modern war (as a young teenager); I have looked into empty soul dead eyes > of profoundly traumatized people… have you ever had such experiences? > Those who have truly experienced war tend not to be so enthusiastic about > violence as a means to solving problems, unless they are psychopaths who > enjoy it that is. > Chris > > You assume people do violence for no reason other than that they are "vastly > > different" (whatever that really means). This is a faulty assumption -- IMO. > > People do violence, in almost every case because violence was done to them. > > Violence begets violence... it is a self-perpetuating cycle; a Hatfield and > > McCoy wheel that goes endlessly around greased by the bloodshed and > > carefully nurtured hatred of a really good feud. (and the Hatfield and McCoy > > feud is the stuff of legend in the US at least) > > It is a very rare event that anyone visits terrible deadly violence upon > > others out of the blue; it is either driven by a criminal profit motive or > > for blood revenge because of some grievous perceived or actual injury that > > violence occurs in real life. > > I am also a little curious what you mean by "vastly different". Are "other" > > folk not like you? Is their DNA different? Do their brains work differently? > > Or could it be that their own tribal call to violence mirrors your own > > (apparent call for violence to be visited upon these hypothetical "others")? > > If we stopped feeding into it maybe there would be less of this bad shit, > > making a bloody mess of the peaceful enjoyment of the many diverse pleasures > > of life and the exquisite sensation of being. > > The default is for cycles to keep rolling, but they can be broken. > > Chris > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List < > [email protected]> > To: everything-list <[email protected]> > Sent: Thu, Jun 12, 2014 1:43 am > Subject: RE: Pluto bounces back! > > You assume people do violence for no reason other than that they are "vastly > > different" (whatever that really means). This is a faulty assumption -- IMO. > > People do violence, in almost every case because violence was done to them. > > Violence begets violence... it is a self-perpetuating cycle; a Hatfield and > > McCoy wheel that goes endlessly around greased by the bloodshed and > > carefully nurtured hatred of a really good feud. (and the Hatfield and McCoy > > feud is the stuff of legend in the US at least) > > It is a very rare event that anyone visits terrible deadly violence upon > > others out of the blue; it is either driven by a criminal profit motive or > > for blood revenge because of some grievous perceived or actual injury that > > violence occurs in real life. > > I am also a little curious what you mean by "vastly different". Are "other" > > folk not like you? Is their DNA different? Do their brains work differently? > > Or could it be that their own tribal call to violence mirrors your own > > (apparent call for violence to be visited upon these hypothetical "others")? > > If we stopped feeding into it maybe there would be less of this bad shit, > > making a bloody mess of the peaceful enjoyment of the many diverse pleasures > > of life and the exquisite sensation of being. > > The default is for cycles to keep rolling, but they can be broken. > > Chris > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: [email protected] > > [mailto:[email protected] <[email protected]?>] > > > > They do not, but their comrades in arms do. Its not your values, its theirs. > > People can be vastly, different. > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: LizR <[email protected]> > > > > On 11 June 2014 23:45, spudboy100 via Everything List > > <[email protected]> wrote: > > I don't know. To me, a huge fatality count for you homeland, might suggest a > > huge response. What if your murderers take your civilized response for > > weakness and prepare another attack? This would be my concern.t > > > > > > How do they do that from solitary confinement? > > . > > > > -- > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > > "Everything List" group. > > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email > > to [email protected]. > > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. > > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. 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