I style myself as informed about the aggressor. The clash of civilizations is already here, and has been here, off and on for a few decades, in its contemporary form. I do point out that many of the elites side with Saudi royals and accept donations from them, and many are liberals, the liberal elites, like the Clintons, and on the conservative side, the Bushes. To fight back against the Islamist imperialism takes foresight and determination. It also is good to know what you stand for and what you stand against? When people are anti-war, in the US, it invariably means they are against the US. It is never, ever, against the Islamists going to war. Now, I ask, rhetorically, why this is?
A few questions. Have you ever been to Afghanistan? Have you ever been to any Muslim country at all? I ask, because you seem to style yourself an expert on the thinking and inner mind of people in the Middle East. So naturally I am curious about the nature of your expertise and from what fount of knowledge you drink. Also… you leave me, still left wondering if you have ever actually been in a war zone and seen what war actually is about? Why do I ask? It is to understand some kind of reason for the enthusiasm you seemingly display for a violent clash of civilizations. Chris -----Original Message----- From: 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List <[email protected]> To: everything-list <[email protected]> Sent: Sat, Jun 14, 2014 8:16 pm Subject: RE: Pluto bounces back! From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Saturday, June 14, 2014 5:41 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: Pluto bounces back! I submit that with the official religion of Afghanistan, and with the enablement of Sharia, or a watered down form of it under the Afghani royals, is was a sucker for the Soviets. But the Soviets, under Brezhnev, war would have come anyway. It just would not have seemed such a slam dunk. The people, for example in Syria and Iraq, are part of the problem. As far as national complicity, against the Jihad and all that it means, I would have inflicted a lot more. Afghanistan – which I have lived in before the Russians – has suffered war imposed on it by the great powers (of the era) since the British Raj. It is easy to blame these victims of a forty year state of war – counting from the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan; it is a little bit harder to understand the degree to which their lives have become shattered by war. Maybe because it is uncomfortable to admit our national complicity in the deaths of so many goat and sheep herders. Yes, its called the United States. The people that you cite want to go to paradise, Jannah, so sacrificing sons, and brothers is a noble feat for them, the ticket to women and wine literally. Peace, under Quran, Soonah, Bukhari, is not permitted between a Kurfar (infidel) and a Muslim, on a hudna, a truce is permitted. You cannot separate Afghanistan from its belief systems. You cannot separate Iraq and Syria from its belief systems. A few questions. Have you ever been to Afghanistan? Have you ever been to any Muslim country at all? I ask, because you seem to style yourself an expert on the thinking and inner mind of people in the Middle East. So naturally I am curious about the nature of your expertise and from what fount of knowledge you drink. Also… you leave me, still left wondering if you have ever actually been in a war zone and seen what war actually is about? Why do I ask? It is to understand some kind of reason for the enthusiasm you seemingly display for a violent clash of civilizations. Chris Have you ever lived in a war zone? I have. I have witnessed the horror of modern war (as a young teenager); I have looked into empty soul dead eyes of profoundly traumatized people… have you ever had such experiences? Those who have truly experienced war tend not to be so enthusiastic about violence as a means to solving problems, unless they are psychopaths who enjoy it that is. -----Original Message----- From: 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List <[email protected]> To: everything-list <[email protected]> Sent: Fri, Jun 13, 2014 3:38 pm Subject: RE: Pluto bounces back! From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2014 10:06 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: Pluto bounces back! Yes, cycles absolutely can be broken, last things first, but first, people have to see in themselves that something is wrong. This, we must conclude is fairly, rare. The kind of people I am referring to, are the kind of people, that over your dead body, get to heaven in a little green boat, as the kiddie ditty went. On top of this we have unmedicated, and undermedicated, people with deep personality disorders. The Hatfield-McCoy thing when applied elsewhere in the world lack the cultural background. Also, there's no reward to stopping a bad habit, and there's no sufficient incentive to starting good ones. With the mental problem aspect there is something we can do, which is medication and therapy. With cultural-religious driven attacks, this is more complicated. But first, one must have the will and desire to radically change things, on the ground. The ruling elites, have no great incentive to do things which halt what is going on, nor, is there a great enough punishment, if they are doing political malpractice. Thus, the world rolls on as it has. It seems to me that you are ignoring a massive incentive to violence arising from the utter fragmentation of all social structures resulting from an unending state of war, imposed on the suffering goat herders you seem to enjoy demonizing in the most colorful language. Afghanistan – which I have lived in before the Russians – has suffered war imposed on it by the great powers (of the era) since the British Raj. It is easy to blame these victims of a forty year state of war – counting from the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan; it is a little bit harder to understand the degree to which their lives have become shattered by war. Maybe because it is uncomfortable to admit our national complicity in the deaths of so many goat and sheep herders. Observe the insanity unleashed now in Syria (in which we are again heavily involved) the monsters on the loose over there and in the Sunni areas of Iraq – who do you think is backing and funding them (even if through Saudi etc. proxies). No doubt monsters are created in war. But more war merely begets more monsters in an endless and ultimately futile cycle of blood spilling blood. Have you ever lived in a war zone? I have. I have witnessed the horror of modern war (as a young teenager); I have looked into empty soul dead eyes of profoundly traumatized people… have you ever had such experiences? Those who have truly experienced war tend not to be so enthusiastic about violence as a means to solving problems, unless they are psychopaths who enjoy it that is. Chris You assume people do violence for no reason other than that they are "vastly different" (whatever that really means). This is a faulty assumption -- IMO. People do violence, in almost every case because violence was done to them. Violence begets violence... it is a self-perpetuating cycle; a Hatfield and McCoy wheel that goes endlessly around greased by the bloodshed and carefully nurtured hatred of a really good feud. (and the Hatfield and McCoy feud is the stuff of legend in the US at least) It is a very rare event that anyone visits terrible deadly violence upon others out of the blue; it is either driven by a criminal profit motive or for blood revenge because of some grievous perceived or actual injury that violence occurs in real life. I am also a little curious what you mean by "vastly different". Are "other" folk not like you? Is their DNA different? Do their brains work differently? Or could it be that their own tribal call to violence mirrors your own (apparent call for violence to be visited upon these hypothetical "others")? If we stopped feeding into it maybe there would be less of this bad shit, making a bloody mess of the peaceful enjoyment of the many diverse pleasures of life and the exquisite sensation of being. The default is for cycles to keep rolling, but they can be broken. Chris -----Original Message----- From: 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List <[email protected]> To: everything-list <[email protected]> Sent: Thu, Jun 12, 2014 1:43 am Subject: RE: Pluto bounces back! You assume people do violence for no reason other than that they are "vastly different" (whatever that really means). This is a faulty assumption -- IMO. People do violence, in almost every case because violence was done to them. Violence begets violence... it is a self-perpetuating cycle; a Hatfield and McCoy wheel that goes endlessly around greased by the bloodshed and carefully nurtured hatred of a really good feud. (and the Hatfield and McCoy feud is the stuff of legend in the US at least) It is a very rare event that anyone visits terrible deadly violence upon others out of the blue; it is either driven by a criminal profit motive or for blood revenge because of some grievous perceived or actual injury that violence occurs in real life. I am also a little curious what you mean by "vastly different". Are "other" folk not like you? Is their DNA different? Do their brains work differently? Or could it be that their own tribal call to violence mirrors your own (apparent call for violence to be visited upon these hypothetical "others")? If we stopped feeding into it maybe there would be less of this bad shit, making a bloody mess of the peaceful enjoyment of the many diverse pleasures of life and the exquisite sensation of being. The default is for cycles to keep rolling, but they can be broken. Chris -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] They do not, but their comrades in arms do. Its not your values, its theirs. People can be vastly, different. -----Original Message----- From: LizR <[email protected]> On 11 June 2014 23:45, spudboy100 via Everything List <[email protected]> wrote: I don't know. To me, a huge fatality count for you homeland, might suggest a huge response. What if your murderers take your civilized response for weakness and prepare another attack? This would be my concern.t How do they do that from solitary confinement? . -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. 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