________________________________ From: John Clark <johnkcl...@gmail.com> To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Sent: Monday, June 23, 2014 10:47 AM Subject: Re: Germany sets record for peak energy use - 50 percent comes from solar (Update) On Mon, Jun 23, 2014 at 12:25 AM, 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List <everything-list@googlegroups.com> wrote: > more than half of a summer day peak demand of the major European economy > coming from solar electricity, Germany has encouraged solar energy with huge subsidies more aggressively than any other country in Europe; Germany is a rich country so they can afford to produce electricity in a way that is vastly more expensive than coal or natural gas or hydroelectric or nuclear or anything else except perhaps wind power. As a result Germany is not only the leader in solar energy it is also the leader in high electric bills, and "almost seven million households in the country are living in energy poverty—defined as having to spend more than 10 percent of income on energy bills". Germany embarked on their solar energy crusade in 2000, in that year electricity cost 18 cents per kilowatt-hour, today its 37 cents and 800,000 Germans have had their electricity cut off because they couldn't pay their bill. And despite their herculean effort it turns out that Germany isn't even very green, in 2009 Germany emitted 913 million metric tons of carbon dioxide into the air, in 2013 it emitted 951. Rich countries can afford, at least for a while, to make energy in a ridiculously inefficient way, but you're never ever going to convince poor countries, the vast majority of the world, to follow the German model. No matter how loudly the environmentalists in rich western countries scream the developing world will never change their ways until you show them a way to make electricity cheaper than coal. John K Clark And the oil, gas, coal & nuclear energy sectors enjoy no government subsidies at all and they are not externalizing huge on-going costs onto the commons right? -- snicker... thought everyone would enjoy a good joke. Chris -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: Germany sets record for peak energy use - 50 percent comes from solar (Update)
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