On Saturday, August 16, 2014 8:45:47 PM UTC+10, yanniru wrote: > > Bruno IMO does not end the chain so-to-speak because he does not say where > the natural numbers come from other than invoking Platonia. Super-string > theory does. But it invokes even more turtles, like where do the ten > dimensions come from. > http://vixra.org/pdf/1101.0044v1.pdf >
Agree with Liz on this one. It seems much more reasonable to believe that string theory derives from maths than the other way around. String theory is a mathematical theory, therefore necessarily subsumed by mathematics in general, and specifically by computable mathematics including Peano arithmetic. > > > > On Sat, Aug 16, 2014 at 6:35 AM, LizR <[email protected] <javascript:>> > wrote: > >> Pierz, you have said exactly the reason why I am willing to give Bruno's >> ideas so much time. It's the fact that IF he's right, then he has actually >> caught sight of the end of the explanatory chain, which otherwise has only >> ever been grounded in an unsatisfactory deity or a "chain of turtles" - >> i.e. it's thought to never end - or it ends at a brute fact of some sort, >> some "shut up and calculate" beyond which we supposedly can't go. >> >> A TOE should start from something that's necessarily so, and so far the >> only thing I've ever come across that's necessarily so is stuff like 1+1=2, >> with apologies to Stephen P King and anyone else who thinks we just made >> that up. But so far there isn't anything else except God, turtles and shut >> up .... is there? >> >> Admittedly we may just not have thought of the correct end-of-chain yet, >> so this may be like looking for your keys under a lamp-post because that's >> the well lit part of the street. But it's always *possible* the keys are >> in the well-lit part.... Hence I give a lot of mental houseroom to comp, >> and any other theory that starts from something that's grounded in >> (apparent) logical necessity. Are there any other such theories? I have a >> feeling that "it from bit" goes in that sort of direction, as does A. >> Garrett Lisi, Max T of course, Julian Barbour? I guess any TOE which claims >> that some set of equations is isomorphic to the universe is nodding in that >> direction, and as Max Tegmark says we just need to reduce the baggage >> allowance. Even Edgar Owen's computational idea has some merit on the "it >> from bit" front (although I don't think it's particularly original ... and >> of course it fails to address about 99% of known physics.) >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Everything List" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to [email protected] <javascript:>. >> To post to this group, send email to [email protected] >> <javascript:>. >> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >> > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
