Liz – that was my same reaction, truly massive things are astronomically observed to be out there (at the centers of big galaxies at least – don’t know if star clusters and satellite galaxies also have smaller analogues at their centers – or not?). The thrust of this paper – from what I gather is summed up in Mersini-Houghton – the author – own words:
· that as a star collapses under its own gravity, it produces Hawking radiation. · Mersini-Houghton claims to have shown that by giving off this radiation, the star also sheds mass. So much so that as it shrinks it no longer has the density to become a black hole. In a nutshell she is proposing a hypothesis that theoretically black holes can never be formed. I find this very hard to believe, myself, based on all the known astronomical evidence that in fact they must exist. Was wondering if anyone had ever heard about her or this hypothesis. Researched her a bit – she seems legitimate, a multiverse proponent in terms of her cosmological orientation; she has for example proposed that a possible phenomenon called dark flow, which is the apparent directional movement of our universe -- being swept along in the direction of constellations Centaurus and Hydra at a rate of around 500 km/s, could be evidence of the gravitational influence of another universe in the multiverse. Dark Flow is controversial, and in 2013, data from the Planck spacecraft is said to have shown no evidence of "dark flow”; however, another analysis by a member of the Planck collaboration, Fernando Atrio-Barandela, suggested the data were consistent with the earlier findings from WMAP… so maybe still up in the air.) Mersini-Houghton is controversial, I gather… and the notion that theoretically black holes cannot form, because they burn out their mass as Hawkins radiation, certainly flies in the face of what we see in the sky. But, on the other hand, it is a pretty daring thing to try to say, and she is not some self-published legend-in-their-mind fringe loon either, she is an Associate professor at Chappel Hill, NC (if I recall). She certainly knows what she was getting into when she published it… so why? Is it hunger for another fifteen minutes of fame? Or is she herself convinced that her hypothesis is correct? I get the sense she feels her arguments and the math behind them are sound, but I have not read the actual paper either, which is why I asked if anyone had. From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of LizR Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2014 3:50 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: Do they or don't they exist? Is anyone familiar with this paper? There are objects that are way too massive to be anything but black holes (if our current understanding of general relativity is correct). I believe the core of M104 (the Sombrero galaxy) is about one billion solar masses, for example. But to be fair, I'm not sure exactly what is being claimed in this paper. On 25 September 2014 19:06, Russell Standish <[email protected]> wrote: What about the poster child Cygnus X-1. I thought that was too dense to be a neutron star. Cheers On Wed, Sep 24, 2014 at 06:24:02PM -0700, meekerdb wrote: > I just looked at. If black holes don't exist it's going to be a > problem explaining what it is at the center of the Milky Way (and > other galaxies) that has a four million solar masses. > > Brent > > On 9/24/2014 4:44 PM, 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List wrote: > > > >Read more at: Researcher shows that black holes do not exist > ><http://phys.org/news/2014-09-black-holes.html#jCp> > > > >image <http://phys.org/news/2014-09-black-holes.html#jCp> > > > > > > > > > > > >Researcher shows that black holes do not exist > ><http://phys.org/news/2014-09-black-holes.html#jCp> > >Black holes have long captured the public imagination and been the > >subject of popular culture, from Star Trek to Hollywood. 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