> On 15-Nov-2014, at 12:02 pm, meekerdb <meeke...@verizon.net> wrote: > >> On 11/14/2014 4:33 AM, Samiya Illias wrote: >> >> >> On 14-Nov-2014, at 4:27 pm, Bruno Marchal <marc...@ulb.ac.be> wrote: >> >>> >>>> On 14 Nov 2014, at 11:18, Samiya Illias wrote: >>>> >>>> Liz, never mind. I know you only mean to state what you think is correct. >>>> If I may add a word of caution, please don't form or state opinions about >>>> God. Perhaps, some day, you will be blessed with faith, and then regret >>>> having said such things about God and religion which you do not >>>> understand/appreciate yet, or worse, faith is withheld from you because of >>>> it. Our eternity depends on it, or so I believe. >>> >>> Why don't you apply this (good) idea to yourself? Our eternity might also >>> depend on this, and the spiritual success of some religion too. >>> >>> Bruno >> >> Do I opine about others beliefs and make fun of their faith? Can you please >> point out some email of mine where I have been less than respectful of >> anyone's religion or god(s)? > > It is not respectful to presume to caution others that they will suffer in > the future if they don't agree with you and to pretend that you know what is > true through revelation which cannot be communicated by reason and > observation, but that anyone should credence your opinion simply because you > believe it.
I didn't mean to imply Islam, Quran or Allah exclusively. It was a sincere, well-meaning caution to not to make fun of other religions and deities in general, and I hope Liz took it in that spirit. However, if it was offensive or seemed as a veiled threat, I apologize. I never intended it that way. Samiya > > "Liz, never mind. I know you only mean to state what you think is correct. > If I may add a word of caution, please don't form or state opinions about > God. Perhaps, some day, you will be blessed with faith, and then regret > having said such things about God and religion which you do not > understand/appreciate yet, or worse, faith is withheld from you because of > it. Our eternity depends on it, or so I believe." > > It is the argument of a Mafioso thug to say, "You may regret not believing as > I do." If you wish to be respectful, you should give respectable arguments > for belief - not veiled threats based on assertions of special knowledge. > > Brent > > > > > > >> >> Samiya >> >>> >>> >>> >>>> >>>> Samiya >>>> >>>> On 14-Nov-2014, at 4:54 am, LizR <lizj...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Well, perhaps I phrased that badly. I'm willing to entertain beliefs, >>>>> without giving letting them move in. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> On 14 November 2014 12:03, John Mikes <jami...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>> Liz, I stopped 'trying' - I found the best one: the "agnostic" belief = >>>>>> I dunno. >>>>>> We don't, indeed. My belief consists of the existence (potentiality?) of >>>>>> vast amount of 'knowables' we have no acces to. Maybe not even the >>>>>> capabilities to catch'em. >>>>>> That is the only 'faith' I carry. And - at 93 - I do not experiment with >>>>>> new avenues for 'life'. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Thu, Nov 13, 2014 at 5:52 PM, LizR <lizj...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>> On 14 November 2014 11:40, John Mikes <jami...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>> Liz, I hope you do not want to mix Friedrich Nietzsche into this >>>>>>>> back-and-forth! He was a believer, otherwise he could not conclude >>>>>>>> that "God is dead". >>>>>>> >>>>>>> It was just a pun. "As God wills" could be taken >>>>>>> two different ways, you see (at least it can if >>>>>>> you have a twisted mind, like what I have got). >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I asked par5ticipants of several 'religions' about their VERY FIRST >>>>>>>> encounter with the concept of God and received no answer. The positive >>>>>>>> negatives were of the form: >>>>>>>> "That must have bee God (or His action)". Assumed. Or on exaples. Or >>>>>>>> on a Script presumed to have been written by God - exactly in that >>>>>>>> langauge how it was read. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Yes, I believe the operative phrase is "Give me a boy before the age of >>>>>>> 5 and he'll be mine for life" >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Now the i-phone software has to be written in some 120+ languages. >>>>>>>> Including many different alphabets. Well, things get obsolete. Even >>>>>>>> the US Constitution with its 200 yo text baased on a 3-500 yo >>>>>>>> philosophy (including the right to have slaves) just for the purpose >>>>>>>> that those educated rich gentlemen should not be forced to pay taxes >>>>>>>> to the king of England. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Indeed. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> And there is that darn 'democracy' (I call it an oxymoron), nowhere >>>>>>>> and never has it been practically established. It includes the >>>>>>>> suppression of a minority and prctically the totality of the people >>>>>>>> cannot fulfill the wish of all of them. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Yes it's been proved (I'm told) that these is no system of democracy >>>>>>> that can work as intended. As Churchill said, it's the worst system >>>>>>> we've tried (apart from all the other ones). >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> And then come the big joke: to propose to authoritarian religious >>>>>>>> communities to become democratic. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Yes, this is a peculiar programme, just trying to impose your worldview >>>>>>> on others. Kind of the opposite of "democracy" (envisaged as freedom). >>>>>>> Much more to the point are the rights of individuals to determine their >>>>>>> own lives, however that isn't going to happen while corporate interests >>>>>>> are running the world. Time for another revolution - maybe an >>>>>>> electronic one rather than cutting heads off this time? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> So: P E A C E ! >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I wish. If we stopped spending on wars we could have utopia up and >>>>>>> running this time next week. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I propose to let our beloved friend be happy in her devoted belief - I >>>>>>>> learned from her. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> As if we have an alternative... :-) >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> John Mikes who tried several avenues of 'beliefs' >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Me too, and indeed I am still doing so. >>>>>>>> . >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>>> Groups "Everything List" group. >>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>>>>>> an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>>>>>> To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. >>>>>>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. >>>>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>> Groups "Everything List" group. >>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>>>>> an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>>>>> To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. >>>>>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. >>>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>>>> "Everything List" group. >>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >>>>> email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>>>> To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. >>>>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. >>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>>> "Everything List" group. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >>>> email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>>> To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. >>>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. >>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>> >>> http://iridia.ulb.ac.be/~marchal/ >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "Everything List" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >>> email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>> To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. >>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. >>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Everything List" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. >> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. 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