On 11/27/2014 12:28 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:

On 26 Nov 2014, at 23:56, meekerdb wrote:

On 11/26/2014 11:23 AM, John Clark wrote:

On Wed, Nov 26, 2014 , Bruno Marchal <[email protected] 
<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:

    > I agree that consciousness is not intelligence.


I agree also.

    > An entity can be competent, without intelligence [...] An entity can be
    intelligent, without competence


I don't understand the distinction, but I do know that competence means having the skill and knowledge to get the job done, so what's the point of "intelligence"? As far as survival is concerned (and getting genes into the next generation is the only thing Evolution is concerned with) Intelligence, whatever you mean by the word, would be as useless as consciousness. So now you've doubled the number of mysteries you need to explain, not only do you need to explain why Evolution invented consciousness you can't even explain why it invented Intelligence.

    > I insist also to distinguish intelligence from competence.


My understanding is that intelligence refers to learning ability and behavior adaptability to novel circumstances. Competence is being able to act effectively in a given circumstance, but not necessarily adaptable to new circumstances. If a pipe breaks a plumber will be competent to fix it, but if his computer fails he will not be competent to fix it and he may not be intelligent enough to learn how to fix it. So intelligence is sort of meta-competence, i.e. competence at becoming competent in particular fields.

Yes, that is the basic idea. I teach also to young people. Some are intelligent, but never get competent because they does not study, for many reason, like being more interested in girls than in math, for example.

That's an example of wisdom over intelligence. :-)

Brent

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