This thread remember me the discussions of the dumbest of a city disussing
the relative merits of each basket team player based on if they are redhead
or not.

2014-12-06 10:37 GMT+01:00 LizR <lizj...@gmail.com>:

> On 6 December 2014 at 19:25, Samiya Illias <samiyaill...@gmail.com> wrote:
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>> On 06-Dec-2014, at 11:15 am, meekerdb <meeke...@verizon.net> wrote:
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>> On 12/5/2014 9:56 PM, Samiya Illias wrote:
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>> On 06-Dec-2014, at 10:25 am, meekerdb <meeke...@verizon.net> wrote:
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>>   On 12/5/2014 3:16 AM, Samiya Illias wrote:
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>> As a person who takes the Quran literally, I'm not at all surprised as it
>> is stated that the ancients had been given much more, and we haven't been
>> given a tenth of what they had.
>> Samiya
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>> Well then you must be surprised that our computers are much faster and
>> more accurate than the ancients.
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>>  That's an assumption
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>> It's much less of an assumption than the assumption that the ancients
>> were given a superior calculator, since the ankythera device has been
>> reproduced and tested and found to be less accurate than astronomical
>> calculations by modern digital computers.
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>> So why aren't you surprised that Allah's gift to the ancients is
>> inferior, contrary to the revelation of the Quran?
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>> Look at all the ruins of the ancient civilizations - you think they were
>> inferior?
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>
> That's a curious question. The ruins and record indicate that there was no
> ancient civilisation that had anything like the knowledge or resources of
> modern day technology. For example, no ancient civilisation discovered the
> use of fossil fuels or nuclear power. One could argue that these things
> aren't in fact good for modern civilisation, but since we don't know how
> things will work out that would be presumptuous. However, we can almost
> certainly say that no civilisation prior to ours measured the age of the
> universe to an accuracy of around 1%, or discovered DNA, or was able to
> prolong life through medicine and surgery, or could cure mental conditions
> through the use of synthetic drugs, or construct buildings a kilometer
> high, or fly, or explore the Moon and planets, or discovered the nature of
> matter, or invented recorded sound, images and TV and films, or intelligent
> machines, or reliable contraception, or machines able to free the
> population from everyday household drudgery, or the ability to feed
> billions of people, or have lights and heat available at night and all the
> year round, or send messages almost instantly around the world...
>
> (...how long have you got?)
>
> The fact is, all but the poorest people in the Western world has things
> that would have been unimaginable to the richest people of the ancient
> world. I would say that this does make our civilisation superior in
> important ways; I would certain prefer to be alive now than even 100 years
> ago. Indeed 100 years ago the routine gall bladder surgery I had a couple
> of years ago would have probably killed me (always assuming I'd survived
> childhood illnesses, childbirth and so on).
>
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