On Saturday, December 20, 2014 5:36:08 AM UTC, Jason wrote: > > > > On Fri, Dec 19, 2014 at 10:24 PM, meekerdb <[email protected] > <javascript:>> wrote: > > On 12/19/2014 4:58 PM, Jason Resch wrote: > > > > On Fri, Dec 19, 2014 at 3:32 PM, LizR <[email protected] <javascript:>> > wrote: > > On 19 December 2014 at 23:02, Telmo Menezes <[email protected] > <javascript:>> wrote: > > > On Fri, Dec 19, 2014 at 9:24 AM, LizR <[email protected] <javascript:>> > wrote: > > They also failed to foresee that hand-held weapons would become so > powerful. > > > Are you sure that more powerful hand-held weapons would change their > minds about the need to keep a balance of power between the government and > the citizens? I suspect it would just reinforce the idea. > > I'm not sure of anything. However I doubt they could foresee a 9 year > old girl being shown how to fire an Uzi. > > > Kids drown in pools all the time but that doesn't mean adults should be > forbidden from swimming. > > > That was such a moronic thing to do that I can't really feel it was a > huge loss that she accidentally shot and killed her instructor (indeed a > Darwin award could be on its way - but it's indicative of the incredible > stupidity that is exemplified by the NRA (I think it's called) which seems > to think it's a good thing that America has way more gun related deaths and > accidents than any other country in the first world (and most in the third > world). > > > It probably has far more lives saved and defended with guns than any > other country in the first world (estimates range from 500,000 - 2,000,000 > defensive gun uses per year). But news agencies are less interested in > reporting tragedies that didn't happen. > > > Wishful estimating by the NRA. > > > > So then what estimate is realistic from the studies that have been done ( > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Defensive_gun_use )? > > Whatever estimate you agree with, are you saying you'd prefer that number > to be zero? (Keeping criminal attacks at the same level)? > > > > News agencies love stories like that: "Little old lady routs burglar with > revolver." > > > I'd bet many instances are never reported to police, never mind news > agencies. I'm also willing to bet you did not hear about the mall shooting > last year (where 3 people were killed) that was stopped when the shooter > was confronted by someone with concealed carry license, at sight of it, the > shooter decided to shoot himself. > > http://www.kgw.com/story/news/2014/07/24/12405148/ >
Observation: A group of individuals, each to have joined in group discussion of a controversial, politically and morally sensitive subject matter, entirely free from cohesive pressures. Who then proceed to collaborate with one-another for convergence around some coordinate position, each person's individual, rational, with nought "fear nor favour", settled positions on the gun crime situation at present, in the USA, and elsewhere across the West. Where everything said done and concluded amount to zero, low or no influence entities in what forces have shaped the course of things. Which is....you all must know what you have silently thrown behind? You have pretended braving controversial highly sensitive, risky, turf....among the most and moster of our time. But you then all worked together to totally avoid, and cut out, and blindsight the absolute whole of all controversial risky turf that HAPPENS to sit at the HEART of this matter, and the main arterial lines through the flesh of it to the skins that mark it. Gun crime is overwhelmingly urban, gang-related and ethnic. Gun mortality is overwhelmingly intra-ethnic overwhelmingly involving the African American sector. After that it's Hispanic. Gang warfare exists on a permanent basis in many west coast cities now, with LA seeing full scale, racial warfare between gangs from adjacent black and Hispanic communities respectively. You were all willing to avoid this central statistic. Do you have no personal shame that you have lied and engaged in the propagation of misinformation? Why was not the wiser option of passing over the discussion not taken? We don't necessarily feel able to talk or add value about a subject like this. We don't have a large amount of information. We feel partly or substantially responsible for the nightmare so many decent communities, the makeup of which are like any other. Old folk, mid-aged folk struggling with children and grandchildren. The young who wanted a chance, nothing more. One chance, some places does not come around. Doesn't go around. Buy a lottery ticket. Those countless, silent lives are lives lived in Fear. Gang culture has worsened got worse again, because of the impunity granted it by YOU...the likes of you. You endorse that misery by your disgusting apes of serious debate. Brave men and women in those districts have risen up and faced down the gangs and the rituals withing gangs such as gang-rape of girls on demand by whole gangs. They have risen up, and for a few instants stood their ground. But the likes of you, you fucking lumpy soup of pretence...the likes of you have collaborated in silencing all reference to them. The cost to those brave people...oh they get executed. Not quite only that. First they get tortured. Not just any torture, not like those prisoners at the hands of the cia. Brutal, sadistic, prolonged torture. And then execution. How...why....do you pervert yourselves like this? No one wants to have to talk about it. I don't want to have to talk about it. So I just don't talk about it. What you do is perversion of truth. Shame. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
