On Sun, Dec 21, 2014 at 6:47 PM, Bruce Kellett <[email protected]>
wrote:

> John Clark wrote:
>
>> On Sun, Dec 21, 2014  Bruce Kellett <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>  Evolution gave living things an instinct for self-preservation. But you
>>>> can have such an instinct operating healthily and still not fear death.
>>>>
>>>
>> Unrelated? Bob and Don are crossing a street when a large truck turns
>> a corner and is heading straight for both of them. Bob has a fear of
>> death but Don has a instinct for self preservation, please tell me
>> about the unrelated and very different procedures Bob and Don use to
>> get out of the way.
>>
>
> They should both jump for safety! Don's instinct for self preservation
> makes this jump instinctive -- and successful. Bob's fear of death leads
> him to freeze in his tracks, and he is killed.
>
>
>>  It [death] is not something to be feared because no-one has ever
>>> experienced it
>>>
>>
> Your paraphrase is very telling. I said no-one has ever experienced
> oblivion, not that no-one has died [death]. Plenty of people have died, and
> many have suffered from the experience of dying. But since we all die at
> some point, fearing death is scarcely rational. Fearing suffering is
> rational, however, because we actually experience that and rationally try
> to avoid it.
>
>
I don't think John's motivations stem from a "fear of death" but from an
"unwillingness to die". I see how your line of reasoning implies the former
is irrational, but I think we're just taking the former too literally,
where what we really mean is the latter.

Jason

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